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[UPDATED 10/04/2012] Foldix - An SMP and Nvidia GPU3 folding linux distro

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What is this?
I've seen people trying to juggle having a linux VM for folding on their CPU while running the GPU client natively in windows - this works, but it can be troublesome to manage, especially for those with 24/7 rigs and farms. I thought there was an easier way and this is my idea to help it.

Like it says in the title, I'm building a linux distro with both SMP and nvidia GPU clients built in and ready to fold. It is designed to be installed, configured once, and then left alone for as long as possible. After that initial configuration is done, all that is required for the rig to fold is power and an internet connection. Internet can be fixed, and you can set your rig to switch on when the power comes back in the BIOS.

SMP folding is taken care of by the native linux SMP client (version 6.43), which is configured exactly like a windows client. The GPU folding is done via the windows nvidia GPU3 client through a very slimmed down version of Wine and a cuda wrapper.

What are the advantages?
  • It's simple: Install it once, configure it once, then leave it alone. It will happily fold away with no user input (or output, these machines can run headless).
  • It can be what you want it to be: this is a fully fledged Arch Linux system. You can use pacman, Arch's famous package and software manager, to turn your box into anything you want. You can give it a very pretty GUI with a window manager and compositor, you can turn it into a file/home server, a router, a programming/building/compiling box, anything basically.
  • It's stable: I'm going to make sure it is tested thoroughly before giving it to anyone to make sure it doesn't break anyone's precious rigs.
  • It's documented: If you want to do something with this rig, this site is your best friend. Arch is one of the best documented linux distributions out there. Most of the information in there can also be used for other linux distributions with little or no changes.
  • It's easy to manage: The clients folders will be shared on the local network to all windows machines on the network with read only access (by default) so you can monitor them remotely via HFM on another machine. I'm also planning on setting up scripts that will share hardware statistics (like temperatures and fan speeds) over the network too, and I'm also thinking of including a telnet and SSH server so you can work on the box remotely.
  • Both Fermis and pre-Fermis are supported.

What are the disadvantages?
  • ATI/AMD cards DO NOT FOLD UNDER LINUX. The only reason nvidia cards do is because cuda executes similarly on linux machines and windows machines, and someone wrote a wrapper to translate the windows instructions into linux instructions. ATI doesn't work that way and that's not changing in the near future.
  • Some people have reported that running the GPU client through wine reduces their PPD substantially, and even ate an entire CPU core. Others report that it runs just like in windows. YMMV, but I will do my best to ensure this doesn't happen. (Update: see this post for my results.)
  • Hardware monitoring is a hit or miss affair. Your hardware is either supported, or not. If not you can try google but you're on your own from there.
  • No netbooting YET. I don't know how to implement this properly yet but once I do, I will. That'll make it FAR easier for folding farms.
  • Running cards of different classes (ie fermis and non fermis) together on the same machine won't work with the default installation but if you're willing to get your hands dirty you could probably manage it.
  • I have custom compiled wine (the software that the GPU client runs on top of) with optimizations for the Core 2 series and later, so all Core 2 chips and their AMD counterparts and above with SSE3 support can run it, but anything without SSE3 support will not run the GPU client. That means P4s won't work. I can provide a package for P4s at request but this decision was made to hopefully improve speed or efficiency on the GPU client.
  • Only way to overclock fermis is by flashing the BIOS unfortunately.

Where can I get it?
Finally released! Get it over here: http://www.ppdpolice.com/archfold/archfold-2011.12.23-core-x86_64.iso

How do I install it?
READ THE INSTALL GUIDE ATTACHED AT THE END OF THIS POST! Read ALL of it, it is rather long and I apologise for that but it is all necessary. If you post questions about it and haven't read the instructions, you won't be answered.

How do I put the image on a USB flash drive?
Linux (possibly mac too?): dd if=/path/to/archfold-2011.12.23-core-x86_64.iso of=/dev/sdX (where sdX is your flash drive)

Windows: Download this, extract it somewhere, run it, click on the little blue icon near the top right, change the file type to *.* in the open box and point it to where you downloaded the ISO, make sure the right drive is selected in the top right corner, and then click on write. Done.

NOTE: If you're installing TO a flash drive, I HIGHLY recommend installing FROM a CD. Installing from flash drive -> flash drive causes grub to go a bit haywire during the install so it gets misconfigured, so please rather do use a CD in this case. You can try installing from a flash drive if you'd like, and if things do go wrong I can help if you post, but it's just easier with a CD.

FAQ:
  • It can run headless.
  • It can run from a USB flash drive as is, and can be installed on one too.
  • It is 64 bit only.

install.txt 18k .txt file

UPDATE 10/04/2012:

Updated image is building as I type this. I believe the flickering issue was fixed with an nvidia driver update. After I've given it a test I'll try upload as soon as I can, still on crap internet here redface.gif
Edited by biltong - 4/10/12 at 10:59am
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I would! This would be quite useful.
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One thing I didn't mention, and I will add it to the OP, is that the GPU folding only works on nvidia cards, ATI support does not exist at the moment frown.gif

As it is nvidia support is less than optimal but it works.
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yay! biggrin.gif
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I fully support the whole. Contact a poor excuse to use English.
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Yes, i would use this, and especially if you were able to get some form of HFM or monitoring software working as well with the distribution.
    
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Okay, well if I'm to go ahead with this thing, I need a mirror to host it on. Right now I have a 500MB ISO that SHOULD work but I've yet to test it on anything other than my rig, and I still want to see what I can strip out of it. I can't decide whether to leave wireless support in or not. I'm also considering using a kernel optimized for the core2 and up series which should fit everyone this is targeted to except fellow AMD folders, so that idea is out of the window as an extra kernel takes up at least another 20MB.

I should also explain what I mean by live cd. When I'm done with it I want to be able to install it to a hard drive and configure it once, and that's the last time you need to touch the machine unless it goes down for some reason, in which case the goal is you press the power button and it works. I think it will also be able to be run directly from the live cd, so you can boot from the cd, configure your client and off you go. The image should also work for USB flash drives AFAIK, but I must test all of this to be sure.

I thought about finding a way to set up a netboot server for folding farms but that doesn't look like it's gonna happen either. I also need to figure out a way to get multiple GPU clients running in the event of an SLI setup. A max of 4 clients would be a safe bet, am I correct? I haven't seen anyone running around with 5 or 6 GPUs in one board lol.

It's 1AM here so I think I'm off to bed tongue.gif

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Originally Posted by Z32;15524049 
Yes, i would use this, and especially if you were able to get some form of HFM or monitoring software working as well with the distribution.

Well, HFM running on it might be a problem, because my aim is to have no GUI, keeping the image smaller and meaning less bloat on the system, not that that affects folding performance anyway, but it does help my upload lol biggrin.gif

However, I will have it set up so that you can use HFM or fahmon on another machine to connect to it over the network and monitor it from there.

In terms of harware monitoring, linux doesn't have much to offer. The nvidia driver doesn't have a standardized way of reporting GPU temperatures, so one application's reading differs from another's. And when it comes to CPU/mobo monitoring, if your motherboard has sensors supported by lm-sensors you may have some success in getting mobo temps and voltages, while as far as I know intel chips work with a monitoring driver called coretemp. I have no idea if that'll work on AMD chips though frown.gif
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Bump. Doesn't look like anybody really wants this :/ (except for four people lol)
Edited by biltong - 11/1/11 at 12:33pm
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