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Well REP for you! Thanks man! Can't wait to get this puppy runnin!
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yep.. It's on the SSD, not necessarily on the motherboard. That's that GPT redundency thing. wink.gif
I made a rather lengthy post on this topic back a few pages (remember the "clogged BCD store" Post?)... I'll wish you luck now.. follow the instructions explicitly. And don't forget to back up your current BCD store first, in case you make a mistake.
here's the post: Clear NVRAM/BCD Store
EDIT: kevin, I just realized that you are using GPT... if you remove the Windows Boot manager entry, you won't be able to boot your computer without jumping through hoops. just a heads up.

oh ok. well, i want to start from scratch. I mean when I installed my motherboard in my case, there isn't any Windows Boot Manager entry in the UEFI. Does that mean it isn't present? Is it different from deleting through BCDedit?

I want to start clean as in delete everything on my SSD. doing a "clean" command in diskpart; would it delete the entry?

@Sean

Is indexing not recommended to be disabled on an SSD?

How about increasing the number of processors under Boot->Advanced Options of msconfig, won't that boost startup speed?

If you start with a "clean" SSD, the BCD store does not exist yet. The BCD Store is created during Windows Installation. The BCD Store is placed on the EFI partition under GPT. With an MBR installation, It ends up on the Windows "system/recovery" partition (if you allow the system partiton to be created during install), or if you pre-format the entire drive prior to install, it will be put on the primary partition along with the OS.

The BCD store is one of the things that ends up ultimately being installed to another drive if you have more than one Drive attached to the PC during a windows install. That's why it's recommended to disconnect all other drives execpt for where you intend to install the OS.

To ensure no remnants, you can execute a "clean" command in Diskpart, shut down the computer, and clear your NVRAM. This will ensure that the NVRAM can't pick up possible "stray" entries that may have existed in the BCD store, when the UEFI re-initializes.

Indexing is not required for an SSD. Indexing helps the OS to locate certain files more quickly on HDDs. Not necessary with the speed of an SSD. Although indexing can be benefitial on other drives on your system that store your DATA, so it is up to you on whether you index those drives. Indexing can be enabled/disabled on a drive by drive basis through the drives "properties" dialogue.

Ok, I will try that. Clearing the NVRAM is just as simple as using the jumper method, right?
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@Sean

Is indexing not recommended to be disabled on an SSD?
No need to disable it, actually some programs get benefit from it such as m$ outlook.
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How about increasing the number of processors under Boot->Advanced Options of msconfig, won't that boost startup speed?
nope not at all.


Ok. What do you think of the comment on Andy regarding Indexing? How does Indexing help, for you, in an SSD?

So what is the purpose of increasing the number of cores in that section if it doesn't help boot time at all?
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Ok. What do you think of the comment on Andy regarding Indexing?

He is completely right.
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How does Indexing help, for you, in an SSD?
M$ outlook runs better And I don't need to mess with the indexing options any lol.
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So what is the purpose of increasing the number of cores in that section if it doesn't help boot time at all?
IDK, Windows should detect the # of cores automatically upon boot.
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He is completely right.
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How does Indexing help, for you, in an SSD?
M$ outlook runs better And I don't need to mess with the indexing options any lol.
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So what is the purpose of increasing the number of cores in that section if it doesn't help boot time at all?
IDK, Windows should detect the # of cores automatically upon boot.

Ok, and MS Outlook is installed in your SSD, right?

How were you able to test if it is working better with Indexing enabled?

@xandyx

I've tried cleaning my SSD and clearing the NVRAM by using the jumper and I still have that Windows Boot Manager entry. And one more thing with these ASUS boards, even though you clear the NVRAM (either by removing the CMOS battery or using the jumper) you always have a "backup" of your settings which when you turn on the computer (after resetting the CMOS) will kick in without giving you any choice. So technically there is no way to clear the settings because they always "come back" no matter what.
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Ok, and MS Outlook is installed in your SSD, right?
Yea
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How were you able to test if it is working better with Indexing enabled?
Just in use, it is better overall.
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Ok, and MS Outlook is installed in your SSD, right?
Yea
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How were you able to test if it is working better with Indexing enabled?
Just in use, it is better overall.

Thanks. How about Prefetch and Superfetch, are they confirmed to really produce better results when they are disabled than enabled?

Also, here is the first AS-SSD test for my Crucial M4 128GB in my Sager NP8130 laptop:

as-ssd-benchM4-CT128M4SSD2122520117-45-27PM.png

I'm comparing the results in the AS-SSD benchmark thread but why is my "4K" speeds lower than normal? For other tests (seq, 4k-64Thrd, Acc.time) they seem to be on par with others.
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Alllrightt.... Got this puppy up and running... Format took ALL night on the HDD...ug. Now time for a fun few days reinstalling everything and getting it back to normal...

Prelim results:
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I'm pretty happy with the SS 830....Look good?

Windows used about 12GB.... updates KILLed me...Office is installed on the HDD...

Gained some on the HDD too!
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When I formatted the HDD, my 2nd drive, I list that on the 4096k alignment right? And also list it as active? Thats what I did...seems fine...

Might have an issue here...

PC boots in like 8 seconds... I don't even see my bios screen....uh... its that fast...
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Great guide, thanks!
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Thanks. How about Prefetch and Superfetch, are they confirmed to really produce better results when they are disabled than enabled?
Also, here is the first AS-SSD test for my Crucial M4 128GB in my Sager NP8130 laptop:
I'm comparing the results in the AS-SSD benchmark thread but why is my "4K" speeds lower than normal? For other tests (seq, 4k-64Thrd, Acc.time) they seem to be on par with others.


Yes the prefetch and superfetch are better off, at least from my actual testing, and I have tested reboot time with those on and off multiple times and off was always the fastest boot.

Laptops give lower scores for 4K, if you disable all hardware power options (C1E, Speedstep, etc.) and change the windows power options to high performance then you should get better results. If you still don't it is either the laptop still or if you can test it in your rig.
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Alllrightt.... Got this puppy up and running... Format took ALL night on the HDD...ug. Now time for a fun few days reinstalling everything and getting it back to normal...
Prelim results:
I'm pretty happy with the SS 830....Look good?
Windows used about 12GB.... updates KILLed me...Office is installed on the HDD...
Gained some on the HDD too!
When I formatted the HDD, my 2nd drive, I list that on the 4096k alignment right? And also list it as active? Thats what I did...seems fine...
Might have an issue here...
PC boots in like 8 seconds... I don't even see my bios screen....uh... its that fast...
Looks good, and the HDD is good with 4K.
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Great guide, thanks!
Thanks
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I put the indexing step back up...idk lol it is there for those of you who want to do it tongue.gif
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