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Is it better to keep the 100MB partition in an MBR installation?

Sean, regarding the Outlook "data" file, is it recommended to stay on the SSD or is it OK to stay on the storage HDD? This file is growing very big every day.

It depends on who you talk to. Microsoft designed the 100MB "recovery" partition back with Vista, as a way to minimize time spent on support calls for both MS, and their partners (read "partners" as the major computer builders).

The rational behind it being its own partition, is that if the OS partition were to become corrupt, the average user, by booting to Windows media (windows 7 installation disk as an example), could initiate a repair without a support call... or at the very worst, could easily be talked through inserting a disk, and initiating a repair.

Without the added partition, if the BCD gets damaged (since it would be on a partition that see alot of activity [the OS partition]), there is no chance of just a simple repair. How many of you have disconnected the "extra" drive that was attached when windows was 1st installed, only to be presented with "No Operating System Found", and then even booting to install media, a repair cannot be done, because nothing can find the windows installation? The information necessary to locate the OS on the physical drive, is contained in the BCD (Boot Configuration Data). Without the 100MB partition, the BCD ends up on the main partition (C:\ - drive). Microsoft figured that it would be safer somewhere else.

Microsoft even took it a step further. What if the whole drive the OS is on gets corrupt? That is why windows installs the recovery partitoon to a secondary drive, when one is available. Now, both the OS drive and the seconday drive would both need to get damaged for a technitian on the other end of a phone call, not to know what's going on with a non-bootable system.

I think you see where I'm going here. and not that any of it really helped.

My opinion, the 100MB partition is not necessary... Then again, I'm not the average user, nor do I think that many members on this site are either... I back-up my data, I have disk images... if a drive fries, I loose nothing but a small amount of time. DAMN the partition... full speed ahead!
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Lovin' the new avatar Sean 
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not sure if this has been brought up yet, or maybe its just something im doing wrong.
I followed the guide, everything is working amazing and I appreciate the work that went into the guide., but.....

windows experience index thinks a different drive is my primary hard disk when running the hard disk tests. I have everything setup the same was as the guide with ssd as my os drive and old hard disk with my user folder and program files.

Anyone know how to solve this?
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not sure if this has been brought up yet, or maybe its just something im doing wrong.
I followed the guide, everything is working amazing and I appreciate the work that went into the guide., but.....

windows experience index thinks a different drive is my primary hard disk when running the hard disk tests. I have everything setup the same was as the guide with ssd as my os drive and old hard disk with my user folder and program files.

Anyone know how to solve this?

How is it detecting the wrong drive? How do you know? lol

Make sure your SSD is not in IDE mode too.

You can try this:

Fix W.E.I. scores reporting wrong:
  1. Go to C:\Windows\Performance\WinSAT and delete the winsat.txt
  2. Then go to C:\Windows\Performance\WinSAT\DataStore and delete all the files in there.
  3. Now restart W.E.I.
    Note: The scores should be the proper score now.
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Yes the prefetch and superfetch are better off, at least from my actual testing, and I have tested reboot time with those on and off multiple times and off was always the fastest boot.
Thanks for the best guide out there on SSDs.

Apologies if you already addressed this, and I have no doubt you've seen it, but do you think it might be worth noting in the guide the following snippet from MS's FAQ? If someone didn't have an adequate SSD, then it seems like it might be best not to countermand Windows' evaluation of the situation.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx
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If the system disk is an SSD, and the SSD performs adequately on random reads and doesn’t have glaring performance issues with random writes or flushes, then Superfetch, boot prefetching, application launch prefetching, ReadyBoost and ReadDrive will all be disabled.

Initially, we had configured all of these features to be off on all SSDs, but we encountered sizable performance regressions on some systems. In root causing those regressions, we found that some first generation SSDs had severe enough random write and flush problems that ultimately lead to disk reads being blocked for long periods of time. With Superfetch and other prefetching re-enabled, performance on key scenarios was markedly improved.

BTW, I think it might be misleading to look at EnableSuperfetch=3 and EnablePrefetcher=3 and assume they're not disabled. I notice on my system, which is set this way by default, that the Superfetch service is set to Manual and never starts. Also, \windows\prefetch only has a couple files in it dating back to when I first installed. I really don't think either is in effect despite the above values. I wonder if there's some other higher control of this that Windows has set.
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I too had the problem of windows experience seeing my mechanical drive as primary, even though the SSD is C drive. If the SSD is the only drive plugged in when you do this assessment, all is fine :s
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It works! YES! Thanks Sean

Now to deal with this random crashing problem rolleyes.gif If it keeps happening, I'll poke around in event viewer and try a mem test

SO glad I have an SSD at last lol. Although I can't tell if the snappiness is the SSD or Sandy Bridge tongue.gif

Edit: Shame we can't just move location of Program Files rolleyes.gif
Edited by SgtMunky - 12/30/11 at 2:43am
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Yes the prefetch and superfetch are better off, at least from my actual testing, and I have tested reboot time with those on and off multiple times and off was always the fastest boot.
Thanks for the best guide out there on SSDs.

Apologies if you already addressed this, and I have no doubt you've seen it, but do you think it might be worth noting in the guide the following snippet from MS's FAQ? If someone didn't have an adequate SSD, then it seems like it might be best not to countermand Windows' evaluation of the situation.

http://blogs.msdn.com/b/e7/archive/2009/05/05/support-and-q-a-for-solid-state-drives-and.aspx
Quote:
If the system disk is an SSD, and the SSD performs adequately on random reads and doesn’t have glaring performance issues with random writes or flushes, then Superfetch, boot prefetching, application launch prefetching, ReadyBoost and ReadDrive will all be disabled.

Initially, we had configured all of these features to be off on all SSDs, but we encountered sizable performance regressions on some systems. In root causing those regressions, we found that some first generation SSDs had severe enough random write and flush problems that ultimately lead to disk reads being blocked for long periods of time. With Superfetch and other prefetching re-enabled, performance on key scenarios was markedly improved.

BTW, I think it might be misleading to look at EnableSuperfetch=3 and EnablePrefetcher=3 and assume they're not disabled. I notice on my system, which is set this way by default, that the Superfetch service is set to Manual and never starts. Also, \windows\prefetch only has a couple files in it dating back to when I first installed. I really don't think either is in effect despite the above values. I wonder if there's some other higher control of this that Windows has set.

Yea i read that a few times, I guess I should lol.

And just to be safe I disable them in the services and the registry.
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It works! YES! Thanks Sean
Now to deal with this random crashing problem rolleyes.gif If it keeps happening, I'll poke around in event viewer and try a mem test
SO glad I have an SSD at last lol. Although I can't tell if the snappiness is the SSD or Sandy Bridge tongue.gif
Edit: Shame we can't just move location of Program Files rolleyes.gif

You can move the program folder via junctions...i'll make a guide,but there are others in the sources section of my thread.

What SSD do you have? If you have a sandforce drive you need the most up to date firmware.
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wow first off,
verry sweet guide
i tried to follow it and i hope i have done it correctly
could you guys take a look at this and see if its good
thnak you verry much:D
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