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I have an SSD for OS and HDD for games and stuff. I followed the video tutorial for formatting and aligning the SDD for 4K and everything. Then I plugged in my HDD after Windows was installed and started using it after a format. My question is, was I also suppose to 4K align the HDD? If I open AS SSD, it says it is 1024K for the HDD.
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You don't need to, I don't have my storage drives aligned 4K, I simply don't feel like going through the hassle to do so.
I did since I put my user files (docs, pictures, vids, music) on my HDD. Was this wrong and or unnecessary?

Nope, completely fine to have the partitions aligned @ 4K or 1K.
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Interesting you say that. What else do you think is not necessary from your guide?
Besides system restore that is. ?
Very good guide as I have spent many hours over the past week configuring my aging system.
This is why I posted and to say thanks.
No problem. And like I said before all is optional.
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Is GPT (GUID Partition Table) section relevant for SSDs, or is it for large HDDs only?
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Nope, shouldn't have any problem at all.. when you plug the drive back in, the UEFI should find it again, and list it in the boot priority list.
Silly question, but why?

Well, basically my plan is to have a "spare" OS HDD installed in my system in my system for overclocking purposes and my main OS SSD installed as well. I have to switch between those two drives when overclocking because I don't like to risk any BSOD in my main OS SSD.

So the only time I'll have problems is when I migrate that same OS SSD onto another system (board)?
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Is GPT (GUID Partition Table) section relevant for SSDs, or is it for large HDDs only?

Any drive really, but mainly for large drives atm. I have mine set to GPT. When I reinstall next I am switching to MBR b/c I remember it booting faster.
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Nope, shouldn't have any problem at all.. when you plug the drive back in, the UEFI should find it again, and list it in the boot priority list.
Silly question, but why?

Well, basically my plan is to have a "spare" OS HDD installed in my system in my system for overclocking purposes and my main OS SSD installed as well. I have to switch between those two drives when overclocking because I don't like to risk any BSOD in my main OS SSD.

So the only time I'll have problems is when I migrate that same OS SSD onto another system (board)?

Sounds like a management nightmare to me. Updates/changes on one drive needing to be applied to the other drive etc...

It might not actually be a "problem" if you put the drive into a similar system. Any "problem" that might occur would be driver related... ie. drivers from the system where the OS was installed trying to load in a system that needs different drivers, drivers missing that are needed etc... Oh yea... and Windows activation on the second system... Windows will usually "know" that it is loading on a different system, and look to be reactivated.
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Sounds like a management nightmare to me. Updates/changes on one drive needing to be applied to the other drive etc...
It might not actually be a "problem" if you put the drive into a similar system. Any "problem" that might occur would be driver related... ie. drivers from the system where the OS was installed trying to load in a system that needs different drivers, drivers missing that are needed etc... Oh yea... and Windows activation on the second system... Windows will usually "know" that it is loading on a different system, and look to be reactivated.

What do you mean management problem? Well, it's not necessary to apply all updates/changes from one drive to another because all I need to do with OS HDD is to install Windows and current drivers and be done with it. Its purpose is only to take all BSODs I will have when overclocking without affecting the OS SDD because it is disconnected from the system.

Yes, I understand about the reactivation process about Windows but what I'm really concerned is how the system will treat the GPT format. I just though that when removing and inserting drives with a GPT format, you lose the BCD "path"? My understanding was that when you install Windows in a GPT-partitioned drive with a UEFI installation, you SHOULD NOT remove the drive from the system in any way because it will corrupt that path.
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Sounds like a management nightmare to me. Updates/changes on one drive needing to be applied to the other drive etc...
It might not actually be a "problem" if you put the drive into a similar system. Any "problem" that might occur would be driver related... ie. drivers from the system where the OS was installed trying to load in a system that needs different drivers, drivers missing that are needed etc... Oh yea... and Windows activation on the second system... Windows will usually "know" that it is loading on a different system, and look to be reactivated.

What do you mean management problem? Well, it's not necessary to apply all updates/changes from one drive to another because all I need to do with OS HDD is to install Windows and current drivers and be done with it. Its purpose is only to take all BSODs I will have when overclocking without affecting the OS SDD because it is disconnected from the system.

Yes, I understand about the reactivation process about Windows but what I'm really concerned is how the system will treat the GPT format. I just though that when removing and inserting drives with a GPT format, you lose the BCD "path"? My understanding was that when you install Windows in a GPT-partitioned drive with a UEFI installation, you SHOULD NOT remove the drive from the system in any way because it will corrupt that path.

When I say managemnt problems, if you OC with one drive (and its OS), swapping out for another drive with (basically a "different" OS; although it's the exact same one), will not guarranty you stability. Although everything on the surface seems the same... they won't be exactly the same, in part, due to how win7 handles an SSD vs. a HDD, different services running, etc... I don't see how, in the long term, you can maintain two drives (with 2- OSs) that will do the exact same thing, each time you boot your system. just my 2cents.gif

Actually that's one of the nice things about GPT. The drive is self identifying. As long as the EFI partition which contains the BCD information is on the same disk as the OS, there should be no problem. Even if it's not, after a few POSTs, the UEFI/Boot manager will catch up. Yes, the original UEFI will "lose" the disk when you disconnect it, but will find it again at POST, when it is reconnected. You may need to repoint your UEFI to where you want to boot from, (which may require two POST procedures; 1 for the drive to be recognized, and a second to go into the UEFI so that the UEFI also recognizes the boot manager change [usually entering and exiting the UEFI without any changes is enough]), but the drive itself will not change, and holds all of the information necessary to boot.
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When I say managemnt problems, if you OC with one drive (and its OS), swapping out for another drive with (basically a "different" OS; although it's the exact same one), will not guarranty you stability. Although everything on the surface seems the same... they won't be exactly the same, in part, due to how win7 handles an SSD vs. a HDD, different services running, etc... I don't see how, in the long term, you can maintain two drives (with 2- OSs) that will do the exact same thing, each time you boot your system. just my 2cents.gif
Actually that's one of the nice things about GPT. The drive is self identifying. As long as the EFI partition which contains the BCD information is on the same disk as the OS, there should be no problem. Even if it's not, after a few POSTs, the UEFI/Boot manager will catch up. Yes, the original UEFI will "lose" the disk when you disconnect it, but will find it again at POST, when it is reconnected. You may need to repoint your UEFI to where you want to boot from, (which may require two POST procedures; 1 for the drive to be recognized, and a second to go into the UEFI so that the UEFI also recognizes the boot manager change [usually entering and exiting the UEFI without any changes is enough]), but the drive itself will not change, and holds all of the information necessary to boot.

Thanks for the info. Hmmm, that is not the case though in the Sandy Stable Club. Overclocking is independent of the kind of drive you are using and technically how "different" the OS in different drives are. It simply boils down on how your CPU responds to overclocking. To my understanding, as long as you are Prime95 12-hour stable on one drive, you can use it on the same. This is why they recommend using a "dummy" drive for overclocking and then when your are stable already, either reinstall your OS on that same drive for it to be a permanent drive or if you have an SSD install Windows in it and you're good to go. Well, that's what I get from reading a LOT from that thread.
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Thanks for replying, my board is the Gigabyte GA-Z68X-UD3-B3, and I plugged it into the SATA3_0/1 port (SATA 6Gb/s - Controlled by Intel Z68 Chipset). Perhaps I should use the Marvell Controlled GSATA3_6/7 port though you advise against this I think?

I solved the issue of the CD firmware not recognizing my Crucial M4 SSD drive. Just in case anyone is having the same problem I changed the SATA BIOS from ACHI to IDE, the firmware then worked like a charm, changed it back to ACHI in BIOS and a reboot in W7 smile.gif
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Any drive really, but mainly for large drives atm. I have mine set to GPT. When I reinstall next I am switching to MBR b/c I remember it booting faster.

Thanks Sean.
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