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Ok I'm having a terrible time with my OCZ vertex 2 giving me unbelievably long boot times after attempting to secure erase and fresh install of windows 7. I have followed your guide exactly and tried to secure erase using both parted magic and two different linux methods given on OCZ's website each time it gave me the confirmation that it was successful but after installing windows it acts like the secure erase did not work and the registry files from the old installations are still present or something because it seems to be looking for drivers from the old install and eventually just times out and finally boots into windows after something crazy like 10+ minutes. I know this from looking at the system errors. After two attempts of secure erase and fresh windows install I did a very ignorant thing and tried to do a windows upgrade with an upgrade disk to the same windows version as was already installed because I read this was possible online and that it would re-create the registry files and I was hoping this would get rid of the old ones finally and solve my issue but now it is even worse than before. I ran a performance benchmark and my read write speeds look fantastic so it isn't degradation of performance that I'm dealing with here but something to do with not fully erasing old operating system files I believe. I'm not sure what to do at this point and am afraid to try anything else that will make it worse or even ruin my SSD so just hoping you can have some suggestions on where to go from here. I wasn't aware of any way to verify that secure erase indeed cleaned out the drive so I just went by the success message given after performing it and then following your guide exactly to install windows and make all the other adjustments recommended. Is there a way I'm not aware of to make sure the secure erase worked before proceeding to install windows? Thank you in advance for any help you can provide.

Wait...you ran secure erase and you did my alignment guide and no data was cleared off the drive?
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To the OP:
Under the list of things to do "Immediately after starting Windows", turning off Hybrid sleep should be one of them.
I put my computer to sleep yesterday. My monitors shuts off immediately, but the hard drive activity light kept blinking for a while. Did some research and saw that it was due to hybrid sleep. Hybrid sleep writes the contents of your RAM to the hard drive before going to sleep. Disable it for SSD.

How specifically to disable it? IIRC, as long as you disable Hibernation, Hybrid sleep is also disabled.
just disable hibernation and hybrid sleep disables.
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Sean need some Pro wiz assistance.
This will probably be for most users like me new to SSD's as well smile.gif

As I said in previous posts I purchased a new Samsung 128GB 830 SSD. My current OS is on my C: drive partition of 100GB capacity on a Seagate 320GB HDD. My BIOS is already set to use AHCI because I am using a RAID array, not for my OS.

My OS partition has 47GB of use out of 100GB so I have lots of room. I will be making a system image of only my C:. My MBR, PageFile, and all other necessary info is installed on my C: partition. I have done a few of the Win edits like shrinking the page file, shrinking the recovery file size, and shrinking the hybernation file. Prefetch and Superfetch are currently still on.

In order to make an image of only my C: partition I have to unhook the RAID drives, windows 7 wants to include these two drives as part of the system image, 1Terrabyte, I don't know why.

I read page 215. I want to know how do I correctly align the format for my SSD when it comes time to install?
When I restore the image I can use disk management to expand the SSD to fully use the additional 28 GB of available space, that is what I have read, correct? Or should I use GParted to expand my current C: Partition to 128GB and then make an image?

The alignment part is really bugging me at the moment, and I want to make sure I do this correctly.

I have 800 GB of data and programs I am trying to preserve in the current state. The goal is to preserve the applications. Everything is of course backed up so I am not worried about loss.

I have a new video I am making atm, i am using Easus ToDo backup for my image needs in it, it is less prone to issues as Windows image tool. If you want try that instead of the windows image tool.
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Awesome guide Sean, thank you for this!

I installed my Crucial M4 128GB and this thing flies!

I had a few specific questions that follow along your steps, if you can share some input that would be awesome.

Hibernation
Is it ideal to keep hibernation on with a 120GB SSD with 16GB ram? I noticed that the command powercfg -h -size 50 only allows 50%. I attempted to put 25 in place of the 50 and it read the say byte size.
-I don't hibernate a lot, but I like the option since I sometimes leave a ton of stuff open and like to resume where I left off.
-If I leave it on should I worry?

Do what ever you feel, it is your system, I f you use hibernation leave it on, if not turn it off. I simply do not use it in my desktop so I disable it, I use it in my laptop all the time so it is enabled there.

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Running 24/7
I leave my computer on 24/7, is this a problem with SSD's?
Nope, no issue
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-Should I set it to go to sleep after a certain amount of time?
Up to you.
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-Can I remote desktop in if the computer is asleep? I don't think, and I remote into my machine regularly at all hours.
I think you can, I've tried before and could not, you would have to enable it to wake on LAN and set something up I think.
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System Protection
If I set it to 1% it shows up as 1.19gb.
-Is it cool to leave this on for the option of restoring?
Yea, I leave mine alone, I don't even touch it.
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Drive Indexing
I see that you show how to turn it off, but in your video when you type in indexing and choose options you have all sorts of files that are still checked.
-Should those stay checked? I see a ton of user folders all checked
Up to you on how you want it set up. I leave what it leaves checked then add what I want it to b/c what is indexed is also enabled to be searched in the search bar in the start menu.
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Page File
I use photoshop a lot, and might do some VMWare virtual machine stuff.
-Should I drop the size down or leave it as is. If I don't touch anything it says the size is 16301MB

Thanks!

I have 8 GB of RAM and have mine set to 1GB, but if you need more size just expand it to like 4GB. Adjust it to what you need.
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Hi Sean,

Thanks for the quick response! A video tutorial would be awesome!

The part that I'm getting hung up on is restoring the system image to the new SSD. When I create the image, I stored it on my USB external drive. The only option it let me choose was the drive itself, and no folder level options. After the image was made, it was stored at L:\WindowsImageBackup\XPSDesktop\Backup 2012-03-04 224027. Do I need to move the image itself to the root of that drive? I'm not quite sure what you meant by having the image at the root of the drive.

Plugging ahead, I used the Windows 7 installation disc to perform the image recovery, but after going through the entire process of booting with the Windows 7 disc, finding the image, all the way to the point where you click the "Finish" button, there was never an option to choose my SSD as the destination for the image recovery. There was a section in a previous window that allows me to choose drives to exclude from the restore process. I've unplugged all my other drives, so the only drive that shows up in that window is my SSD, which I left unchecked. The problem is that when I go through the process and click "Finish." It give me the following error:

The system image restore failed
No disk that can be used for recovering the system disk can be found.

I followed your instructions in your first post on how to prep the SSD for installation, and the drive is showing up in my BIOS, so I'm confused now. A little help? Am I going about this the right way?
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Don't move the image outside the folder or anything, or it won't work. Also don't rename the folder.
You could try to format the disk via diskpart first, then restore onto it.

Yeah, I left the image where Windows put it. I just wasn't sure what Sean meant about putting the image at the root of the drive. And yep, I did those steps using diskpart as outlined in Post #2, under the section titled "Configure a drive using a BIOS/UEFI motherboard and MBR format"

I've been searching for a while, and I can't seem to find a definitive answer.

On suggestion was to use diskpart to simply clean the drive, and the image restore seems to work after that. But doesn't this method go against Sean's advice to use diskpart to properly align the drive for optimum performance?

Another suggestion I saw was to make sure that the new SSD was plugged in so it was set to Disk 0 (as they're listed when running diskpart), though others have claimed that doesn't work either.

Again another suggestion was to move data off any non-OS partitions from OS HDD and delete these partitions. This advice also appears to go against what Sean has recommended in his tutorial for migrating an existing OS to the new SSD.

I'm getting pretty confused with all the conflicting advice I'm finding, and it's making my head spin! I would greatly appreciate some help and clarity!

The WindowsImageBackup folder needs to be at the root of the drive, aka not in any folders at all. That may be the issue.

I have a new video I am making atm, i am using Easus ToDo backup for my image needs in it, it is less prone to issues as Windows image tool. If you want try that instead of the windows image tool.

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This guide is amazing, so simple and easy to understand. Hell this guy even posted youtube videos making it even easier. A+++

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I am going to follow what Sean did here for the System image not wanting to load to the SSD
http://www.overclock.net/t/1156654/seans-windows-7-install-optimization-guide-for-ssds-hdds/990#post_15878378

Basically he did a fresh install to the SSD then loaded the system image.
I have been trying to load the system image to a clean/blank SSD and it does not want to work.

Give me a day to two for the video tutorial to be finished.
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Will give Easus Todo Backup a shot. Thanks.
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Holy mega post thumb.gif

Will give Easus Todo Backup a shot. Thanks.

yea lol,

With easus go to backup > data back up > Disk/Partition > select your partition for your OS drive and if you have it your system reserve partition > set save location > proceed.

Make the bootable disk/usb

Boot from teh disk/usb > recover > disk and partition recovery > select your partitions > next, etc.
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So I installed EaseUS To Do backup, and there was the option to clone partition. I said F.... it and did it.
My RAID array was still unhooked so the only drives were my original HDD System and my new SSD.

15 minutes later for a ~47GB clone I am now booted into windows with my SSD.
I hooked my array back up and all is running Ok thus far.

In the clone options there was a tick for Optimize for SSD, I clicked it, Expanded the "To Be" partition to full, 119GB for the SSD after NTFS format.
When I checked the msinfo32 and for "Partition Starting Offset" it shows 4096. Guessing that is correct alignment?

Will report more info as I double check everything.
That was WAYYYY too easy... rolleyes.gif

Things to still check for:
Driver, windows installed a new driver and needs to restart...
Disable Prefetch
Disable Superfetch
...other optimizations.
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So I installed EaseUS To Do backup, and there was the option to clone partition. I said F.... it and did it.
My RAID array was still unhooked so the only drives were my original HDD System and my new SSD.

15 minutes later for a ~47GB clone I am now booted into windows with my SSD.
I hooked my array back up and all is running Ok thus far.

In the clone options there was a tick for Optimize for SSD, I clicked it, Expanded the "To Be" partition to full, 119GB for the SSD after NTFS format.
When I checked the msinfo32 and for "Partition Starting Offset" it shows 4096. Guessing that is correct alignment?

Will report more info as I double check everything.
That was WAYYYY too easy... rolleyes.gif

Things to still check for:
Driver, windows installed a new driver and needs to restart...
Disable Prefetch
Disable Superfetch
...other optimizations.

cool smile.gif

It should be aligned properly, but I like to do one step more. I used Parted Magic > GPARTED to make sure the partition is aligned. I am making a video on that now. I should have it up at the end of the week.
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Ok I will use Gparted to double check the alignment.

Things to note, Win7 did detect the SSD after the first reboot after the "installing new driver" message.
Defragger was disabled for the SSD.
Win Update did not find anything for the driver or Raid controller so I will see on the next boot if it is still "installed driver need reboot" again. It did show the message after the first reboot.
I will also rehook my old HDD and reformat the old OS partition. Then good to go I believe.

So I think using EaseUS To Do Backup you can just plug in the SSD, Clone the OS partition, reboot and your good. I don't see any reason to unhook other drives.
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Like Aparition, I followed the EaseUS Todo method and am now up and running!!! It's a little ridiculous how easy that was. This is after spending another few hours earlier today following all kinds of suggestions found from other forums and websites. Man, if only I'd tried it sooner!

Sean, you are THE MAN! I'm currently going through the other optimizations listed in your original post, but everything's humming along smoothly so far. Have already freed up about 5GB by disabling hibernation and other tweaks. It's pretty sweet how quickly my apps load. Grinning from ear to ear. smile.gif

A quick question, though (if you happen to see this before I google it) . . . Under the section "Optimizations after system setup:Turn off Unused Windows 7 Features" do you disable the XPS document related stuff? I don't recall ever using them.
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Like Aparition, I followed the EaseUS Todo method and am now up and running!!! It's a little ridiculous how easy that was. This is after spending another few hours earlier today following all kinds of suggestions found from other forums and websites. Man, if only I'd tried it sooner!

Sean, you are THE MAN! I'm currently going through the other optimizations listed in your original post, but everything's humming along smoothly so far. Have already freed up about 5GB by disabling hibernation and other tweaks. It's pretty sweet how quickly my apps load. Grinning from ear to ear. smile.gif

Sweet, I'm making a whole thread as a tutorial on that lol. I should have told ya sooner.
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A quick question, though (if you happen to see this before I google it) . . . Under the section "Optimizations after system setup:Turn off Unused Windows 7 Features" do you disable the XPS document related stuff? I don't recall ever using them.
personally I save my receipts as .xps all the time instead of printing them so that stays enabled for me.

Since you don't use it you can disable it.
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Hey, thanks for the guide. It was useful when I went and reinstall windows 7 onto a used SSD that I purchase off of ebay.

It's a Adata s596 32GB Turbo . No bad sector and checking with HD Tune, it average out what the benchmark say it should've be doing. But I got a troubleshooting issue for ya, if this has been already answer, just point it toward my direction.

I have OS and apps on the SSD with a single partition, and the data such as user and games on my HD. My problem was even now, after all the tweak, the SSD seem to be hanging or dropping transfer rate whenever it's busy doing something. Like, if I were installing windows 7 upgrade, HD tunes show it going fine with and fine and than drop to 0-1MB/s and than spike back up again though only halfway. Either way, it seem to periodically drop to 0-5mb/s whenever it's installing program, or doing something that seem to use 'heavy' disk activity. And when that happen, my computer hang for half a second or a second and freeze. Other time, it's just that one program that freeze and everything else is fine. It's somewhat annoying given it doesn't do that when I had my hard drive with OS and everything on it. Not that I notice it enough to consider it annoying. What do you think it is? CPU activity seem to be fine, though sometime it drop to 1-10% whenever it've been higher like 20-30% as well as normal memory usage.

And oh ya, it show a 5.9 on window's rating though it's twice as fast as my HD which got a 6.7. Must been something else.

My spec is
AMD Athlon x3 425(or something) unlocking the 4th core.
2x2gb 1333mhz memory
32gb SSD w/ OS and apps and HD with games and user folder data.
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Hey, thanks for the guide. It was useful when I went and reinstall windows 7 onto a used SSD that I purchase off of ebay.

It's a Adata s596 32GB Turbo . No bad sector and checking with HD Tune, it average out what the benchmark say it should've be doing. But I got a troubleshooting issue for ya, if this has been already answer, just point it toward my direction.

I have OS and apps on the SSD with a single partition, and the data such as user and games on my HD. My problem was even now, after all the tweak, the SSD seem to be hanging or dropping transfer rate whenever it's busy doing something. Like, if I were installing windows 7 upgrade, HD tunes show it going fine with and fine and than drop to 0-1MB/s and than spike back up again though only halfway. Either way, it seem to periodically drop to 0-5mb/s whenever it's installing program, or doing something that seem to use 'heavy' disk activity. And when that happen, my computer hang for half a second or a second and freeze. Other time, it's just that one program that freeze and everything else is fine. It's somewhat annoying given it doesn't do that when I had my hard drive with OS and everything on it. Not that I notice it enough to consider it annoying. What do you think it is? CPU activity seem to be fine, though sometime it drop to 1-10% whenever it've been higher like 20-30% as well as normal memory usage.

And oh ya, it show a 5.9 on window's rating though it's twice as fast as my HD which got a 6.7. Must been something else.

My spec is
AMD Athlon x3 425(or something) unlocking the 4th core.
2x2gb 1333mhz memory
32gb SSD w/ OS and apps and HD with games and user folder data.

Post a screenshot of AS SSD.

http://www.alex-is.de/PHP/fusion/downloads.php?cat_id=4&download_id=9
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