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It's UEFI, we should call it UEFI and not BIOS anymore. They are two different things. Let's make it this way, UEFI is the new version of BIOS
This one is going to take a little while to get correct. How many years have we had a BIOS? It's kind of like Kleenex, rather than tissue, JellO (Kraft Foods) instead of gelitan, or one of our favorites Photoshop (Adobe) rather than Photo manipulation.

I find myself doing the same thing... Calling it a UEFI "BIOS". Although technically, the UEFIs that exist right now actually are... a dual UEFI/BIOS.

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I'm not really sure, but I think I read somewhere that aligning any SSD/HDD should start from the very beginning of the drive and that is the first partition (ESP for GPT). That means that the Offset for the System partition in your picture should be 4096KB and the rest will follow.

Can you confirm this?
The alignment parameter specifies the starting point for a particular partition. this may have been discussed earlier in this thread, but I'll clarify anyway.

In the case of an SSD, you want to ensure that a logical sector of the Primary DATA partition starts exactly at the beginning of a physical page of the SSD. Without the alignment, the sector boundaries and the page boundaries will not match and sectors will span pages. That would require for a Windows write operation to clear two blocks in lieu of only one, reducing the theoretical write speed by 50%.

The first two partition's relative locations under GPT don't matter. The only requirement is that the ESP (EFI) is the very first partition, preceding all others. It is also benefitial (although not required) that the free space (MSR), that you create resides in front of, and next to, your primary GPT data partition.

Since the very first partition is for the UEFI, once the EUFI hands control of the system to the OS, the ESP partition is no longer used. As I mentioned before, the MSR partition is only used by the OS for certain disk intensive operations, or dynamic disks etc.., so again the alignment (offset) is not important. It is the day to day OS operation where the alignment becomes important.

A standard offset of 1024 is used for the EFI partition. This is done to avoid writing to sectors 0 through 33 of the EFI/gpt labeled "Logical Disk", and potentially overwriting the disk label. The second partition (MSR) starts at 101MB. Don't get confused because the alignment numbers in a typical Widows7 installation are shown as:

1024KB for the 100MB partition
101MB for the next partition - which is the MSR partition.

Don't think that 101MB is not divisible by 4 and that there must be a problem. If you convert 101MBs into KBs (multiply by 1024), then the number is divisible by 4 and the partition is aligned.

The same goes for the important primary partition at 232MB. (again multiply by 1024, and divide by 4). A whole number indicates alignment of the partition blocks, virtual sectors, and the logical disk volume blocks. This is what you want to acomplish with alignment.
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so much knowledge in this thread that my head is spinning round and round

Say UEFI 20 times fast, correctly .
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How does one know if a HDD is considered newer and supports the 4096 alignment cofiguration?
I am not sure, I need to check.
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How does one know if a HDD is considered newer and supports the 4096 alignment configuration?
i would assume the sataII and sata III hdd's can be 4096 aligned. i dont see why they couldnt.
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Quick update, Iam pretty sure that it is installed it properly...I am not sure on the alignment though, I will try it on my ssd soon and see what I get.

Here's what I get:


Is it supposed to say 232 MB Offset?
 
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Hey guys, do you just like starring at the guide? I always see the same people at the bottom of the page lol.

Are you following the guide? Away? Reading info in the guide? Or posting a question?

Just would like to know

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Originally Posted by HothBase View Post
Here's what I get:


Is it supposed to say 232 MB Offset?
I think so, I am going to verify with my friend again, but it is aligned properly.
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Originally Posted by xandypx View Post
This one is going to take a little while to get correct. How many years have we had a BIOS? It's kind of like Kleenex, rather than tissue, JellO (Kraft Foods) instead of gelitan, or one of our favorites Photoshop (Adobe) rather than Photo manipulation.

I find myself doing the same thing... Calling it a UEFI "BIOS". Although technically, the UEFIs that exist right now actually are... a dual UEFI/BIOS.
Exactly, I too was not used to calling it UEFI the first time around. But as soon as I read about it I was comfortable in saying it anyway. So yeah, it's a good starting information for us here in this thread

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Originally Posted by xandypx View Post
The alignment parameter specifies the starting point for a particular partition. this may have been discussed earlier in this thread, but I'll clarify anyway.

In the case of an SSD, you want to ensure that a logical sector of the Primary DATA partition starts exactly at the beginning of a physical page of the SSD. Without the alignment, the sector boundaries and the page boundaries will not match and sectors will span pages. That would require for a Windows write operation to clear two blocks in lieu of only one, reducing the theoretical write speed by 50%.

The first two partition's relative locations under GPT don't matter. The only requirement is that the ESP (EFI) is the very first partition, preceding all others. It is also benefitial (although not required) that the free space (MSR), that you create resides in front of, and next to, your primary GPT data partition.

Since the very first partition is for the UEFI, once the EUFI hands control of the system to the OS, the ESP partition is no longer used. As I mentioned before, the MSR partition is only used by the OS for certain disk intensive operations, or dynamic disks etc.., so again the alignment (offset) is not important. It is the day to day OS operation where the alignment becomes important.

A standard offset of 1024 is used for the EFI partition. This is done to avoid writing to sectors 0 through 33 of the EFI/gpt labeled "Logical Disk", and potentially overwriting the disk label. The second partition (MSR) starts at 101MB. Don't get confused because the alignment numbers in a typical Widows7 installation are shown as:

1024KB for the 100MB partition
101MB for the next partition - which is the MSR partition.

Don't think that 101MB is not divisible by 4 and that there must be a problem. If you convert 101MBs into KBs (multiply by 1024), then the number is divisible by 4 and the partition is aligned.

The same goes for the important primary partition at 232MB. (again multiply by 1024, and divide by 4). A whole number indicates alignment of the partition blocks, virtual sectors, and the logical disk volume blocks. This is what you want to acomplish with alignment.
Thanks for the clarification, I understand now. So usually if you don't specify the "align" switch in Diskpart, it automatically defaults to 1024 KB?

One more thing, when creating partitions is it OK not to format it using Diskpart? Will Windows 7 automatically format the three partitions created when you install it in the Primary Data Partition?
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Thanks for the clarification, I understand now. So usually if you don't specify the "align" switch in Diskpart, it automatically defaults to 1024 KB?

One more thing, when creating partitions is it OK not to format it using Diskpart? Will Windows 7 automatically format the three partitions created when you install it in the Primary Data Partition?
That's correct, Diskpart (and windows) default to 1024 alignment...

..and you got me stumped...

I don't have an answer to your second question, but I have to assume that Windows 7 install should... (I would guess it would be like installing with an unpartitioned disk, and the install walking you through the formatting steps), since the install program has to write to the partitions.

I am just so used to formatting with diskpart. I'll have to give that a shot, and try an install to find out. i won't be able to get to it 'till later though.
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Updated Guide name and edited it a tiny bit.

If anyone would care to put the guide in their sig, I would appreciate it
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Hey guys, do you just like starring at the guide? I always see the same people at the bottom of the page lol.

Are you following the guide? Away? Reading info in the guide? Or posting a question?

Just would like to know




I think so, I am going to verify with my friend again, but it is aligned properly.


   
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