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Sean, I seem to remember using this nearly 2 years ago when I got my first SSD. I just used it to set up a brand new Ivy Bridge build and I have to say... It is WAY MORE DETAILED than I remember. Great guide! I really love the amount of detail and other improvements (like tweaks)

Amazing, amazing, amazing little all in one for everything I wanted to do with my Win7 install. Now it is time to get overclocking!
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Oh ok, for a moment there I thought there was something wrong with the 4096k optimization for my SSD.

Well according to Sean's post at the top of the page it seems you don't have a 4K drive (512 physical sectors). I feel like we're missing a piece of information here. Waiting for clarification. thumb.gif
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I found this link on a form somewhere, can't remember where, but it claims this driver for Intel RST provides TRIM for RAID SSD. Anyone know if it actually works? http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=20984&lang=eng&OSVersion=%0A&DownloadType=
I recently built my father a photo editing machine with RAID0 Samsung 830 (not really for the performance increase, just to make it easier to manage a single volume), and would really like to get TRIM working on it for him if its possible.
I did a lot of looking around and it looks like this will only work with windows 8? Anyone know if there could or will be an update to windows 7 that might help this problem?

No, and not until the 2nd 11.5.x
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I havent installed the Intel RST, Im not using RAID mode, should I be installing this? Any performance gains?
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Yes you should use it, it has a few good features like optimizations and drive health check.
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Hmm my system didn't seem to like it when I switched to AHCI Sata mode in the BIOS. Wouldn't boot from DVD drive even though it's set as the first boot device. It could be my board as it has it's own troubleshooting thread here on OCN, lol. Oh well, IDE it is. I'll worry more about AHCI later when I get an SSD. thumb.gif
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Quote:
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Quote:
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I'll be asleep lol.
If it Bytes Per Physical Sector is 512 like this, it is not a 4K drive: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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If it Bytes Per Physical Sector is 4096 like this, it is a 4K drive: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
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Hmm...pretty sure mine is 512. Physical Sectors info doesn't show up for reasons you probably know, lol.

Actually that is weird lol.
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I thought you could format a drive to contain whatever size sectors you wanted.
nope
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Or is that any size up to the maximum physical sector size already on the disk?
yep
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Does it matter if it's a basic or dynamic volume?
nope
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Thanks again for all the help and info. I do alot of sound design at home and was curious about how the larger sector size would work with my audio files and if there would be any noticeable benefit over the 512 I have now. thumb.gif

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eh more capacity and faster reads due to higher platter densities. But you would need to buy a 4k drive.
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Aw crap, I just built a new machine using a Crucial M4 and completely forgot to check if it is using 4K until I seen the posts above. Going to have to check that when I get home.
no that big of a difference really.

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Originally Posted by malikq86 View Post

im not sure what this 4k alignment thing is...i didn't think it was necessary to look into with brand new ssds and fresh win 7 installations.
yea, not really necessary.
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Sean I think i fixed it...I just set "Turn off the display" to "Never" in Power Options...so far it seems to work 100%. I'll let you know if this fails in the future.
I also have "Put the computer to sleep" , "Require a password on wakeup", and "Turn off hard disk after" all to "Never" (had these settings previously as well).
So as of now, if I want to put my PC to sleep..I have to manually click Start -> Sleep...and then manually turn off the PC monitors (which is totally fine). I always do this manually anyways. I'm a happy camper. biggrin.gif

hmm..i think it just failed. I had to ctrl-alt-delete to get back into windows from sleep...just right now. lol
idk, could be a simple driver issue. I had that before.
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This is what I get, is there anything wrong ?
nope
Quote:
Originally Posted by {EAC} Shoot em UP View Post

I found this link on a form somewhere, can't remember where, but it claims this driver for Intel RST provides TRIM for RAID SSD. Anyone know if it actually works? http://downloadcenter.intel.com/Detail_Desc.aspx?agr=Y&DwnldID=20984&lang=eng&OSVersion=%0A&DownloadType=

I recently built my father a photo editing machine with RAID0 Samsung 830 (not really for the performance increase, just to make it easier to manage a single volume), and would really like to get TRIM working on it for him if its possible.

I did a lot of looking around and it looks like this will only work with windows 8? Anyone know if there could or will be an update to windows 7 that might help this problem?
not till IRST drivers 11.5 are officially released.
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When installing Dropbox, should I install it to my second HDD or have it install directly on the SSD?
I install it to my HDD or at least the folder location is on my HDD.
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Originally Posted by X3NIA View Post

Sean, I seem to remember using this nearly 2 years ago when I got my first SSD. I just used it to set up a brand new Ivy Bridge build and I have to say... It is WAY MORE DETAILED than I remember. Great guide! I really love the amount of detail and other improvements (like tweaks)

Amazing, amazing, amazing little all in one for everything I wanted to do with my Win7 install. Now it is time to get overclocking!
thanks! smile.gif
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Quote:
Originally Posted by EarlZ View Post

Oh ok, for a moment there I thought there was something wrong with the 4096k optimization for my SSD.

Well according to Sean's post at the top of the page it seems you don't have a 4K drive (512 physical sectors). I feel like we're missing a piece of information here. Waiting for clarification. thumb.gif
What are we missing? smile.gif

Quote:
Originally Posted by EarlZ View Post

I havent installed the Intel RST, Im not using RAID mode, should I be installing this? Any performance gains?
yes, install the drivers, they are to replace the default windows SATA drivers and people do get a boost in benchmarks most of the time.
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Hmm my system didn't seem to like it when I switched to AHCI Sata mode in the BIOS. Wouldn't boot from DVD drive even though it's set as the first boot device. It could be my board as it has it's own troubleshooting thread here on OCN, lol. Oh well, IDE it is. I'll worry more about AHCI later when I get an SSD. thumb.gif
AMD = failzor. tongue.gif
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Actually that is weird lol.
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I thought you could format a drive to contain whatever size sectors you wanted.
nope
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Or is that any size up to the maximum physical sector size already on the disk?
yep
Quote:
Does it matter if it's a basic or dynamic volume?
nope
Quote:
Thanks again for all the help and info. I do alot of sound design at home and was curious about how the larger sector size would work with my audio files and if there would be any noticeable benefit over the 512 I have now. thumb.gif
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eh more capacity and faster reads due to higher platter densities. But you would need to buy a 4k drive.
no that big of a difference really.
yea, not really necessary.
idk, could be a simple driver issue. I had that before.
nope
not till IRST drivers 11.5 are officially released.
I install it to my HDD or at least the folder location is on my HDD.
thanks! smile.gif
What are we missing? smile.gif
yes, install the drivers, they are to replace the default windows SATA drivers and people do get a boost in benchmarks most of the time.
AMD = failzor. tongue.gif

Lol, you really are the best person in replying. You don't miss any single post smile.gif
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You actually can “relocate” the Programs Files and Program Files (x86); to a different location through a registry hack... but do you really want to? What you are actually doing through the hack, is changing the default location for installing new programs, so you are not actually moving programs you have already installed.
This can still allow you to install some programs (the ones that allow you to specify an install location through a custom install; not all do), onto your SSD if that is where you want them. All others will install to the default location that you specify in the registry change.
Windows doesn’t care where it loads program information from, as long as it knows the location… Programs can load from an SSD, secondary HDD, or both depending on how you installed them in the first place. One of the key benefits of an SSD is fast program load times. Programs that are installed to a secondary HDD don’t benefit from the speed of the SSD. This technique can be useful for a small SSD where you only need to have your most commonly used programs on the SSD.
You unfortunately just can’t move the installed programs… That requires too many registry changes, as each program writes its executable location/working files location in the registry, based on information that existed when the program was first installed. Also the App Data for each program, as you indicate, still remains on the SSD, where it should. You would need to reinstall all of the programs that you want to move off the SSD after the registry change.
TwoCables and I posted a thread on how to do this some time ago. I’ll see if I can find it, and edit this post accordingly.
EDIT: I hate that the search function is not working, so here's a write up:
You will require a single registry edit on 32 bit installations, or 2 edits on a 64 bit installation, as indicated below:
First, after installing Windows, create a directory on your D:\ drive called "Program Files" (or whatever drive letter is associated with your secondary HDD). If you are running a 64bit version of Windows, also create a directory called “Program Files (x86)”.
DO NOT delete these directories from your C:\ drive (the SSD). You will ultimately use these for programs you want on your SSD.
Next, open registry editor by pushing your windows key +R. In the run dialog box, type "regedit" (without the quotes).
Before making any changes, I always recommend "exporting" the entire current registry to a file on your desktop, in case you make a mistake. You can restore the original registry you changed with this exported copy. The export command is located in the “File” menu.
Once you have exported the current registry,
expand: HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Windows\ CurrentVersion, by clicking on the arrows to expand the individual keys.
Make sure you click on CurrentVersion (it should be highlighted). On the right side, double click on ProgramFilesDir (this is the value that sets the default install location for programs).
Change its "value data" to D:\Program Files (“D” or whatever drive letter your HDD is)
With an x64 OS: There is an additional entry for ProgramFilesDir (x86). This "value data" should be changed to D:\Program Files (x86).
Just for reference, (this happens automatically… no user input required):
In a 32 bit installation, all programs are installed to the “Program Files” directory.
In a 64 bit installation, 64bit applications are installed to “Program Files”, and 32 bit applications are installed to “Program Files (x86)”
After the registry change, all program install routines will install their programs onto the secondary HDD by default. If you want a program to install to the SSD, you will need to do a “custom” install, and specify the location; (Program Files” or “Program Files (x86)”) on your C:\ drive (the SSD). If you don’t specifically specify a location, the program will end up on your secondary HDD. There are a few exceptions where an installer will force the program onto your C:\ drive (the SSD). Microsoft is notorious for this.

after I make this change will the windows updates and installs like that still go to the ssd?
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