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Hi Sean. Thanks for taking the time to create this excellenet tutorial. I just purchased a Intel 330 180GB SSD and is thinking about how to partition it. Your inputs to the following questions will be highly appreciated.

1. I plan to install both windows 7 and windows 8 on the SSD. According to the recommendations from the web, I plan to use 20GB for over provisioning (I understand Intel 330 comes with some OP already but thought it helps to add more to it, please advise if this is not necessary) and allocate 100GB for Win 7 and the remaining 60GB for Win 8. My question is, does multiple partitions have any negative consequences on OP/GC (and the longevity of SSD)?

2. I plan to use SSD/HDD configuration and may add a 3TB hard drive in near future, does that mean I need to setup a GPT boot drive so that when I add a 3TB hard drive I don't have to re-configure the system? or maybe I don't even need a GPT boot drive as the HDD is used as a Data drive only?

3. Your tutorial creates the partition during windows 7 installation process, do you think it is OK that I attach the new SSD to my existing windows 7 system and partition/format it using Win 7 disk managment tool and then install Win 7 to it ? Is there any difference here

Thanks a lot for your help!
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Yep, I have Speedstep and C1E enabled for multiplier and voltage reduction when the system isn't under load, but C3/6 states disabled.

Going to try without them wink.gif
Edited by Rosencrantz - 6/3/12 at 12:20pm
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Originally Posted by glide06 View Post

Hi Sean. Thanks for taking the time to create this excellenet tutorial. I just purchased a Intel 330 180GB SSD and is thinking about how to partition it. Your inputs to the following questions will be highly appreciated.

1. I plan to install both windows 7 and windows 8 on the SSD. According to the recommendations from the web, I plan to use 20GB for over provisioning (I understand Intel 330 comes with some OP already but thought it helps to add more to it, please advise if this is not necessary) and allocate 100GB for Win 7 and the remaining 60GB for Win 8. My question is, does multiple partitions have any negative consequences on OP/GC (and the longevity of SSD)?

Manually over-provisioning is not necessary imo.

And multiple partitions do not affect GC or SSD life.
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2. I plan to use SSD/HDD configuration and may add a 3TB hard drive in near future, does that mean I need to setup a GPT boot drive so that when I add a 3TB hard drive I don't have to re-configure the system? or maybe I don't even need a GPT boot drive as the HDD is used as a Data drive only?
You only need to use the GPT guide if you are using the 3TB drive as your boot drive (or any single partition 2.2TB+ in size).

You are fine to just use the normal MBR install.
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3. Your tutorial creates the partition during windows 7 installation process, do you think it is OK that I attach the new SSD to my existing windows 7 system and partition/format it using Win 7 disk managment tool and then install Win 7 to it ? Is there any difference here
Yea, you can format it that way. You can do it however you like.
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Thanks a lot for your help!
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I am going to be out for the rest of the day I believe, any other questions will have to be answered later tonight or tomorrow.
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Thanks a lot Sean.

On a different note, I saw people debating about using diskpart/clean all will degrade SSD performance as the Clean All command of DiskPart will result in 0x00 being written to the entire drive, whereas when the controller of a SSD receives a Secure Erase command a high voltage is applied to the substrate of the NAND and the entire drive is reset to 0xFF in a few hundred milliseconds. Hence Secure erase is preferred to DiskPart/Clean.

What do you think?
post #3175 of 5384
Thanks for the quick reply.

Here is the latest AS SSD

501
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Does SSD only use firmware? Is there anything else that it needs? Always wondered. Cuz i am getting some strange skipping in most games now besides my secondary hard drive. I am beginning to think i might need a new PSU cuz a little pin that goes inside a molex is gone when i was cleaning my pc last week and i didn't think nothing of it and should be ok but maybe voltage change and it runs fine but i am starting to think i really need a new psu since the rod broke off the molex. I can put it back on but i need to look at it again today and see. It could be just that i need a new psu and clean my pc filters like usual and perhaps check and see if i REALLY need a bios update. I really forgot when is the last time i bought this H80 cooler. I might have to consider getting a new one. Cuz i have no idea how long it can last after 2 years or 3. Would i need to change thermal?

If so then i might need to find the exact thermal i had with the Corsair liquid cooler.
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Originally Posted by Rosencrantz View Post

Yep, I have Speedstep and C1E enabled for multiplier and voltage reduction when the system isn't under load, but C3/6 states disabled.
Going to try without them wink.gif

Well, seems that with all energy saving options disabled iaStor gives slightly better read performance, while msahci gives better write values.

QVDZT.png

mjlFl.png
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Originally Posted by glide06 View Post

Thanks a lot Sean.

On a different note, I saw people debating about using diskpart/clean all will degrade SSD performance as the Clean All command of DiskPart will result in 0x00 being written to the entire drive, whereas when the controller of a SSD receives a Secure Erase command a high voltage is applied to the substrate of the NAND and the entire drive is reset to 0xFF in a few hundred milliseconds. Hence Secure erase is preferred to DiskPart/Clean.

What do you think?
Clean All does nothing but wear the NAND. NAND is in it's default erased state when set to 1, not 0. So writing 0's hurts life/writes. Only use the basic Clean command with SSDs and quick format, not normal/full format.

Read this to learn more: http://www.overclock.net/t/1227597/how-to-secure-erase-your-solid-state-drive-ssd-with-parted-magic#post_16684060
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Originally Posted by boz4442 View Post

Thanks for the quick reply.

Here is the latest AS SSD

501
that is so strange! Try uninstalling the INTEL RST SATA driver.

Do you happen to have NTFS file compression enabled? Or encryption? Or something?

Also do this: www.overclock.net/t/1258253/how-to-put-your-rig-in-your-sig#
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Originally Posted by 78@pwnt4lif3 View Post

Does SSD only use firmware? Is there anything else that it needs? Always wondered.

What? lol

There is the Hardware and Firmware on the SSD, then there is the driver for the SSD and the driver for the storage controller you install in the OS. The driver for the SSD is automatically downloaded and usually will work with a default Windows one.
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Cuz i am getting some strange skipping in most games now besides my secondary hard drive. I am beginning to think i might need a new PSU cuz a little pin that goes inside a molex is gone when i was cleaning my pc last week and i didn't think nothing of it and should be ok but maybe voltage change and it runs fine but i am starting to think i really need a new psu since the rod broke off the molex. I can put it back on but i need to look at it again today and see. It could be just that i need a new psu and clean my pc filters like usual and perhaps check and see if i REALLY need a bios update.
If you are not using the molex plug on anything you can cut it off and it will not affect your system. No voltages should change.

Do a BIOS update if available too.
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I really forgot when is the last time i bought this H80 cooler. I might have to consider getting a new one. Cuz i have no idea how long it can last after 2 years or 3. Would i need to change thermal?

If so then i might need to find the exact thermal i had with the Corsair liquid cooler.
It should be fine, they have no maintenance that you need to do.
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Originally Posted by Rosencrantz View Post

Yep, I have Speedstep and C1E enabled for multiplier and voltage reduction when the system isn't under load, but C3/6 states disabled.
Going to try without them wink.gif

Well, seems that with all energy saving options disabled iaStor gives slightly better read performance, while msahci gives better write values.

QVDZT.png

mjlFl.png

Yea, 4k writes are slightly slower, but everything else is usually better. You can re-enable the power savings features as it is only for to benchmark the drive. smile.gif
post #3179 of 5384
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Originally Posted by boz4442 View Post

Thanks for the quick reply.
Here is the latest AS SSD
501

Fixed: Write caching was off and crippled performance. Here is the new benchmark.

501

Thanks for your help Sean. + rep.
post #3180 of 5384
Sean thanks for this very helpfull guide! I notice you install the Intel Management Engine Driver. What features of the Intel Management Engine do you find usefull? I have an Intel mobo , didn't install that driver and now wonder if I should.
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