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Ended up working! Btw, I guess you don't support the robocopy for Program Files and etc. What is the best way to move those around?
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Ended up working! Btw, I guess you don't support the robocopy for Program Files and etc. What is the best way to move those around?

Awesome!

You can't really move them around, they are tied into the registry. You can back up the installers and preferences though. If you want to back up your PC how it is I suggest you make a system image though. Clonezilla is good even though I haven't used it yet, everyone suggests it.
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Why again do we need to remove all HDDs when installing the OS on an SSD?

Also, Sean can you confirm if imaging programs work properly on GPT partition style systems? I read somewhere that they don't.
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Why again do we need to remove all HDDs when installing the OS on an SSD?

Also, Sean can you confirm if imaging programs work properly on GPT partition style systems? I read somewhere that they don't.

You don't need to, but I have accidentally formatted the wrong disk before and another time for a strange reason I installed and the MSR partition ended up on my second drive lol.

I need to check that out, I will try tomorrow or something...unless you can confirm it or not.
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Without being able to move program files, how else could you safe big program files? It'd be useless to do all this and still have to save to the SSD.
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So windows 7 DVD isn't bootable in UEFI? It isn't decrying mine atleast.

I see you got it working, but I suspect that you didn't have your install DVD in the drive when you first powered on the computer. The UEFI needs to recognise the DVD drive as a UEFI device when it polls the hardware. The only way it can do this is if the install software is in the drive. Without the software, it only picks the drive up as a standard DVD drive.
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Why again do we need to remove all HDDs when installing the OS on an SSD?

Also, Sean can you confirm if imaging programs work properly on GPT partition style systems? I read somewhere that they don't.

When imaging a drive under GPT, it is important that the drive be imaged as a whole, EFI, MSR, and GPT partition. The problem with most existing imaging software, is that they were designed for MBR disks, and they try to image the partitions individually. During an image restore, the programs tend to put the partitions back on the disk incorrectly (the MSR is often missed). I don't stay on top of all of the disk imaging programs, but I do know it is/was being addressed by the software developers, so there may be programs that can now image a GPT disk properly. Apple has been doing it for years, unfortunately, "Microsoft enabled" software is slightly behind the times.

Regardless, it is important (currently) with GPT to never image a disk "bit for bit", as this can cause a loss (reset) of the unique "disk" identifyer. The G in GPT stands for the acronym GUID, and means "globally unique identifier". This is a key aspect of GPT and its redundency/security. The GUID 32-character hexadecimal string that is stored as a 128-bit integer at the begining of each "logical" disk, must be unique (not the same) as any other disk identifyer. Imaging under MBR doesn't care about this information, but without it in GPT, a disk won't boot.
Edited by xandypx - 11/14/11 at 6:54am
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It only shows P1 and not an option for UEFI. Maybe because I have a Blu-Ray Rewriter? Wouldn't think so though.

Are you sure you're using a Windows 7 x64 installation DVD? x86 isn't UEFI-compatible.
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You don't need to, but I have accidentally formatted the wrong disk before and another time for a strange reason I installed and the MSR partition ended up on my second drive lol.
I need to check that out, I will try tomorrow or something...unless you can confirm it or not.

I remmeber Twocables mentioning in this thread the reason why we need to remove HDDs first when installing OS on SSDs, I forgot what page is that in this thread but I'm sure he explained that.
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I see you got it working, but I suspect that you didn't have your install DVD in the drive when you first powered on the computer. The UEFI needs to recognise the DVD drive as a UEFI device when it polls the hardware. The only way it can do this is if the install software is in the drive. Without the software, it only picks the drive up as a standard DVD drive.
When imaging a drive under GPT, it is important that the drive be imaged as a whole, EFI, MSR, and GPT partition. The problem with most existing imaging software, is that they were designed for MBR disks, and they try to image the partitions individually. During an image restore, the programs tend to put the partitions back on the disk incorrectly (the MSR is often missed). I don't stay on top of all of the disk imaging programs, but I do know it is/was being addressed by the software developers, so there may be programs that can now image a GPT disk properly. Apple has been doing it for years, unfortunately, "Microsoft enabled" software is slightly behind the times.
Regardless, it is important (currently) with GPT to never image a disk "bit for bit", as this can cause a loss (reset) of the unique "disk" identifyer. The G in GPT stands for the acronym GUID, and means "globally unique identifier". This is a key aspect of GPT and its redundency/security. The GUID 32-character hexadecimal string that is stored as a 128-bit integer at the begining of each "logical" disk, must be unique (not the same) as any other disk identifyer. Imaging under MBR doesn't care about this information, but without it in GPT, a disk won't boot.

Thanks for the info. Why would a "bit by bit image process" potentially mess with the GUID when that is only a read process? I'm not sure on this but I think it is?
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Kevin, read this for info, http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc765951%28WS.10%29.aspx, http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/library/cc749064%28WS.10%29.aspx. Just some info, I don't understand it atm b/c I am tired lol.
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So, if you cannot move all of these folders, is there a way to redirect the folders from your ssd to point to your hdd? Including folders like users and program files? I just don't want files and etc auto downloaded to my ssd
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So, if you cannot move all of these folders, is there a way to redirect the folders from your ssd to point to your hdd? Including folders like users and program files? I just don't want files and etc auto downloaded to my ssd

You can change where they install to upon install by doing a custom install. What programs are you talking about? From a previous install? I am confused.

Also to change folder locations you can do this. This will allow your downloads to go to your secondary disk.
Move user folder locations to Secondary HDD:
  1. Right click your folder (ex. My pictures)
  2. Click Properties
  3. Click the Location tab
  4. Change the destination to your other HDD (ex. D:\Pictures)
    Note: Recommended, I do it for my user folders(ex. My Documents, My pictures, Desktop, etc.)
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