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Try turning "Hot swapping" on for the SATA connector you are using for the WD Black. Boot to windows on your SSD installation without the Black attached. Once in windows, attach the Black to the SATA port. See what happens. I suspect that the FAT 32 partition you have (now NTFS, but that doesn't matter) is marked as an MBR record, and that is what is causing your problem. You can not have GPT and MBR records on drives attached to the same system under GPT. there was an earlier post by someone else having the same problem. using this methold, you may be able to transfer the data off this drive to another, but I think you are going to need to destroy (delete) the partition that you created for Linux anyway you cut it.
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Alternatively, since you have reformatted that partition and there is nothing there anyway... You can try to just delete the partition from the WD Black, leaving it as unallocated space. this should destroy the MBR record for the partition, and possibly not confuse the UEFI. As I mentioned in an earlier post, sometimes the UEFI can be too smart for its own good, and it finds things that you don't intend it to find. if this works, in disk management, you can reclaim the space in a different partition on the Black, by extending an existing partiton with the unallocated space.

Man, great minds think alike. After I posted last night, I went in, enabled hot swapping and plugged the drive in after windows booted. I copied all of my data over to my Raptor. Thanks for the affirmation of my actions. +rep In disk management, the drive looked no different than any other drive I have attached. I think I'll try deleting that one partition like you mentioned, but I never booted from that drive as far as I can remember. Aren't there applications out there that you can use to view/modify MBRs without wiping out whole disks? Regardless, at this point, all the data is copied, so I could just nuke the disk and start over. It's less than 100GBs of data, so the copying isn't too bad.

I didn't mean to indicate to nuke the whole drive.. just the small partition you reserved for Linux.
Use diskpart from within windows on the wd black. you're looking to see if there happens to be anything hidden on the disk, that's not showing up in disk management. you also want to make sure that nothing on the black is marked as "ACTIVE".
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Forgive me if this isnt the place to ask, but im about to pull the trigger on a Crucial M4 128 and I noticed that my mobo (MSI Pro-E x58) is SATAII and the M4 is SATAIII.

I assume this will still work? Just slower?
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Forgive me if this isnt the place to ask, but im about to pull the trigger on a Crucial M4 128 and I noticed that my mobo (MSI Pro-E x58) is SATAII and the M4 is SATAIII.

I assume this will still work? Just slower?

Yes it will work just fine on SATA 2. There really won't be a difference b/w the 2 in real world use. I didn't notice it anyways. lol
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I was trying hard to remember how Windows dealt with alignment and partitioning during UEFI installation and I'm pretty sure that the default offset/alignment of 1024K was applied to the first partition (out of the three for GPT). Why is that so? I thought the alignment is to be applied to the PRIMARY partition? So why is that when letting Win7 automatically align and make partitions, it does the alignment on the first partition?
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I didn't mean to indicate to nuke the whole drive.. just the small partition you reserved for Linux.
Use diskpart from within windows on the wd black. you're looking to see if there happens to be anything hidden on the disk, that's not showing up in disk management. you also want to make sure that nothing on the black is marked as "ACTIVE".

Cool, I know you didn't mean to nuke the whole disk, I was just saying that I could do so at this point and I'd probably be just fine. I will check for "ACTIVE" first. I have already looked at the drive in diskpart and nothing seems out of the ordinary. I'm anal about setting stuff like this up, so I'll most likely end up nuking it anyway and re-partitioning the drive using GPT anyway. Thanks again.
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I was trying hard to remember how Windows dealt with alignment and partitioning during UEFI installation and I'm pretty sure that the default offset/alignment of 1024K was applied to the first partition (out of the three for GPT). Why is that so? I thought the alignment is to be applied to the PRIMARY partition? So why is that when letting Win7 automatically align and make partitions, it does the alignment on the first partition?

I had posted about this earlier in the thread, but a quick recap.

The EFI partition (the first on the drive) aligns at 1024 (windows standard) as a precaution against any disk program potentionally (inadvertantly) writing to the disk label and protective MBR. This information resides in sectors 0 through 33 of a GPT "Logical Disk". If this information is altered/overwritten with incorrect information, the GPT disk will no longer be "self identifying", and important aspect of GPT. In order to write information to this area of a GPT disk, you must use a GPT "aware" disk program. The "Protective MBR" always resides at sector 0 of a GPT disk. If you recall, the protective MBR tells any MBR disk program that it cannot make changes to the disk.

An example of this is window's own repair ulility when it is not started from a UEFI device. If the utility is started from a BIOS on a GPT disk, the repair utility responds with an error that the disk cannot be repaired. This is because all BIOSs can only initiate the instruction that resides at sector 0 of any disk.
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I had posted about this earlier in the thread, but a quick recap.
The EFI partition (the first on the drive) aligns at 1024 (windows standard) as a precaution against any disk program potentionally (inadvertantly) writing to the disk label and protective MBR. This information resides in sectors 0 through 33 of a GPT "Logical Disk". If this information is altered/overwritten with incorrect information, the GPT disk will no longer be "self identifying", and important aspect of GPT. In order to write information to this area of a GPT disk, you must use a GPT "aware" disk program. The "Protective MBR" always resides at sector 0 of a GPT disk. If you recall, the protective MBR tells any MBR disk program that it cannot make changes to the disk.
An example of this is window's own repair ulility when it is not started from a UEFI device. If the utility is started from a BIOS on a GPT disk, the repair utility responds with an error that the disk cannot be repaired. This is because all BIOSs can only initiate the instruction that resides at sector 0 of any disk.

Gotcha. Sorry, I just forgot because of the long wait I made to have the Crucial M4. So if I understand right, when you don't include the align switch when using diskpart, 1024 is the default setting. So it's simple as creating the three necessary GPT partitions with alignment of 4096 before the PRIMARY partition, correct?

And 0 to 33 sectors equlas 1024K bytes of data?
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i have a crucial m4 128gb
I will be using windows 7 on the drive aswell as my games (battlefield 3 mainly)

should i set the align to 1024 or 4096?
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i have a crucial m4 128gb
I will be using windows 7 on the drive aswell as my games (battlefield 3 mainly)

should i set the align to 1024 or 4096?

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Now if you already installed don't worry about it.
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