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Great guide, tried installing the AMD SATA driver, had a nice jump in Read Performance, but took a major hit to Write Performance as seen below.

The Windows driver delivers better Write performance across the board while the AMD driver delivers better READ performance across the board

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When you are in diskpart and type list disk it will have a * under a column marking it as GPT.
I am 100% sure you SSD is MBR formatted so you are good.

So even if my USB is GPT formatted, it'll be able to install windows 7 flawlessly onto the MBR ssd? And there wouldn't be any performance loss or issues?

Oh btw, This is all that I have to follow right?

Make a bootable Windows 7 USB for MBR and BIOS: Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
Open the Start Menu, type diskpart, press Enter
Type list disk, press Enter
Type select disk 4 (or whichever number your USB drive gets), press Enter
Type clean, press Enter
Type create partition primary, press Enter
Type active, press Enter
Type format quick fs=fat32, press Enter
Type assign, press Enter
Type exit, press Enter
Copy everything from the Windows 7 installation DVD onto the USB key (a simple drag and drop will do; if you have an .iso extract first).

For the purpose of this guide, MBR/GPT has to do with the partitioning of the SSD, not the USB install media.

Following the above steps, you will end up with an MBR formatted USB drive (this is what you want).
There is no need (and possibly some consequences/ the "big" question) to formatting a USB stick to GPT.

Following the above just gets the USB drive to the point where it contains the necessary installation files for windows 7 for a MBR/BIOS install.
If you choose to format your SSD to GPT, and install using UEFI Boot, you will need to follow the extra steps of ensuring the proper .efi code is placed in the proper directory of your USB media.

It is then up to you on whether you install windows 7 to a MBR or GPT partitioned SSD.

@kevindd992002: This may not be the best place for the discussion on GPT formatted USB drives.
The USB info in the last few posts, is beyond the scope of this install guide, and by going OT the way we have, may confuse others that have come to this guide for the basics/not so basic necessities of installing Windows to an SSD. Others may pick up this information, and confuse it with necessary steps for installation as it appears Avngl has.

In response to your last post, the three partitions don't come into play for making a drive "bootable", or are not the reason that you can boot to the USB drive. The install program wouldn't use the "extra" partitions during an install.

After an install of windows 7, the efi uses the first partition the "ESP/EFI" partition for when it needs additional space beyond it's NVRAM, and as a backup for it (GPT redundancy). The msr partition is used by windows for disk operations. Your USB install device doesn't need these, but a full blown windows installation does. Try to run certain disk tasks without the MSR, and windows will present you plenty of BSODs.

Gotcha. One last thing though, would it benefit me if I was to parition my internal storage and usb 3.0 external storage drives to GPT as well?
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So i was following this guide up until the point where i reached clicking the SYSTEM partition for installing windows 7 . Now i receive an error stating Windows cannot be installed to this disk. The selected disk is of the GPT partition style. ????????? Help frown.gif
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Ok so I have my SSD up and running with most if not all of the optimizations done. Thanks Sean

Got one questoins my data drive still has all my programs installed from the last windows install. Is there A way I can reuse some of those files like my steam and origin apps so I don't have to go back and redownload them?
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So i was following this guide up until the point where i reached clicking the SYSTEM partition for installing windows 7 . Now i receive an error stating Windows cannot be installed to this disk. The selected disk is of the GPT partition style. ????????? Help frown.gif

This occurs when you have formatted your SSD with GPT partitioning, but you started the install of windows 7 from a BIOS device. You must initiate a GPT install from a "device" listed in your UEFI with the prefix UEFI:.
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Gotcha. One last thing though, would it benefit me if I was to parition my internal storage and usb 3.0 external storage drives to GPT as well?

I don't really see any benefit in it if they are only to be used as storage drives.
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For the purpose of this guide, MBR/GPT has to do with the partitioning of the SSD, not the USB install media.
Following the above steps, you will end up with an MBR formatted USB drive (this is what you want).
There is no need (and possibly some consequences/ the "big" question) to formatting a USB stick to GPT.
Following the above just gets the USB drive to the point where it contains the necessary installation files for windows 7 for a MBR/BIOS install.
If you choose to format your SSD to GPT, and install using UEFI Boot, you will need to follow the extra steps of ensuring the proper .efi code is placed in the proper directory of your USB media.
It is then up to you on whether you install windows 7 to a MBR or GPT partitioned SSD.
@kevindd992002: This may not be the best place for the discussion on GPT formatted USB drives.
The USB info in the last few posts, is beyond the scope of this install guide, and by going OT the way we have, may confuse others that have come to this guide for the basics/not so basic necessities of installing Windows to an SSD. Others may pick up this information, and confuse it with necessary steps for installation as it appears Avngl has.
In response to your last post, the three partitions don't come into play for making a drive "bootable", or are not the reason that you can boot to the USB drive. The install program wouldn't use the "extra" partitions during an install.
After an install of windows 7, the efi uses the first partition the "ESP/EFI" partition for when it needs additional space beyond it's NVRAM, and as a backup for it (GPT redundancy). The msr partition is used by windows for disk operations. Your USB install device doesn't need these, but a full blown windows installation does. Try to run certain disk tasks without the MSR, and windows will present you plenty of BSODs.

Thank you. I think I get what I should do now. Basically, install windows 7 just like i do on a conventional drive after formating the usb drive which defaults to MBR.

Just for the record, the drive that i plan on getting is a Corsair Force 3 120GB SSD.

Thank you and Sean as well for answering my question/s.
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I installed my new ssd and i had some questions
Quote:
Change power options: Applies to SSD/HDD
Open the Start Menu, in the search line, type Power Options and press Enter
Select the High performance power plan
Click "change plan settings"
Click "change advanced power settings"
Expand the Hard disk option and change setting to "never"
Expand the Sleep option and change setting to "never"
Click OK
Note: I recommend at least setting to high performance, for laptops it is up to you.

Does that need to be changed or not because i got 2 other HDD and isn't it better if they went to sleep when i don't need them?

SuperFetch and Prefetch where enabled on my windows 7 installation. Is there a reason for this?

By the way i disabled SuperFetch in Services.msc but it was still enabled in
Quote:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\PrefetchParameters

So i changed "EnableSuperfetcher" to 0 it was a 3, is that oke?

Thanks!
Edited by weebeast - 12/2/11 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by xandypx View Post

This occurs when you have formatted your SSD with GPT partitioning, but you started the install of windows 7 from a BIOS device. You must initiate a GPT install from a "device" listed in your UEFI with the prefix UEFI:.
I don't really see any benefit in it if they are only to be used as storage drives.

So if you were me, it is better to go with MBR for storage drives or GPT wouldn't hurt (with one primary partition)?
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Originally Posted by Avngl View Post

Thank you. I think I get what I should do now. Basically, install windows 7 just like i do on a conventional drive after formating the usb drive which defaults to MBR.
Just for the record, the drive that i plan on getting is a Corsair Force 3 120GB SSD.
Thank you and Sean as well for answering my question/s.

I recommend the Crucial M4 over the Corsair Force 3 smile.gif Or if you really want a Sandforce drive, the Force GT is better/more stable than the Force 3 smile.gif
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ok so how do i know that my applications I am installing are indeed being installed in my data drive? only reason I ask is because when I designate install location I put the apps/games in the F:/ drive which is my data drive. I just noticed though that I went from 134gb free on my ssd to 127gb free after installing some of my apps, my data drive has files in it but its hardly moved storage space wise. I'm a bit confused.
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Ok so I have my SSD up and running with most if not all of the optimizations done. Thanks Sean

Got one questoins my data drive still has all my programs installed from the last windows install. Is there A way I can reuse some of those files like my steam and origin apps so I don't have to go back and redownload them?

Try, if you get an error you can't. frown.gif
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Originally Posted by weebeast View Post

I installed my new ssd and i had some questions
Quote:
Change power options: Applies to SSD/HDD
Open the Start Menu, in the search line, type Power Options and press Enter
Select the High performance power plan
Click "change plan settings"
Click "change advanced power settings"
Expand the Hard disk option and change setting to "never"
Expand the Sleep option and change setting to "never"
Click OK
Note: I recommend at least setting to high performance, for laptops it is up to you.

Does that need to be changed or not because i got 2 other HDD and isn't it better if they went to sleep when i don't need them?

SuperFetch and Prefetch where enabled on my windows 7 installation. Is there a reason for this?

By the way i disabled SuperFetch in Services.msc but it was still enabled in
Quote:
HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SYSTEM\CurrentControlSet\Control\Session Manager\Memory Management\PrefetchParameters

So i changed "EnableSuperfetcher" to 0 it was a 3, is that oke?

Thanks!

Change the power settings, it is beneficial. The otehr 2 drives will go into sleep when you aren't using them, mine do.

And yes setting them to 0 is good, they are enabled i my OS as well, that is why you need to check them and see. wink.gif
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ok so how do i know that my applications I am installing are indeed being installed in my data drive? only reason I ask is because when I designate install location I put the apps/games in the F:/ drive which is my data drive. I just noticed though that I went from 134gb free on my ssd to 127gb free after installing some of my apps, my data drive has files in it but its hardly moved storage space wise. I'm a bit confused.

Data from the program isn't only installed in the folder you locate it too. It is also in the AppData folder and maybe others as well. The main portion is on the location you set it to though, like teh actuall .exe and such.
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