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My aunt needs a new PC. She works out of home doing something like medical dictation, and has a dell P4 system that's starting to BSOD on her a lot. Basically all she really does is listen to doctor recordings, and type them out. she also uses her PC for storage for her photography. Given that she has work data and irreplaceable photos I decided to add a raid to it. I know her husband has been know to play a few games here and there, so I selected a Llano chip to save on cost. Keep in mind that this Pc she will probably have for the next 6-7 years..... so it is way ahead of what she really needs ATM.

BIOSTAR A75MH FM1 AMD A75 (Hudson D3) SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 HDMI Micro ATX AMD Motherboard

AMD A6-3650 Llano 2.6GHz Socket FM1 100W Quad-Core Desktop APU AD3650WNGXBOX
Mushkin Enhanced Essentials 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model ...
Antec EarthWatts Green EA-380D Green 380W Continuous power ATX12V v2.3 / EPS12V 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power ...
ADATA S596 Turbo AS596TB-64GM-C 2.5" 64GB USB 2.0 & SATAII Internal / External Solid State Drive (SSD)
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 "Heatpipe Direct Contact" Long Life Sleeve 120mm CPU Cooler Compatible Intel ...
Rosewill R101-P-BK 120mm Fan MicroATX Mid Tower Computer Case

And some cheap DVD burner.
I haven't added 2 Samsung Spinpoints for a raid because there out of stock currently. Before the 2 F3s, which hopefully will go back down soon, it will be 450.

Any advice or tweeks that could be made to save on cost or boost performance?
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Aren't there 1600 DDR3 kits for about the same price, under which Llano performs 20% better?
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Aren't there 1600 DDR3 kits for about the same price, under which Llano performs 20% better?
Yes, get these op

Also instead of an aftermarket cooler like the 212+ I would use the stock cooler and get the better chip. The A8 has a better gpu, and faster stock clock speed.

These APUs don't overclock much afaik, and I don't see why you would need a cm 212+ over the stock cooler on stock settings. I'd imagine this is for a user that wouldn't know how to troubleshoot issues on her own so I wouldn't recommend overclocking it anyways.

That case costs 40$ after shipping plus tax. Get a nzxt source 210 from amazon.com for less. It would be superior in nearly every way, and clean looking too.
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Edited by LuckySe7ens - 10/31/11 at 2:29pm
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Yes, get these op

Also instead of an aftermarket cooler like the 212+ I would use the stock cooler and get the better chip. The A8 has a better gpu, and faster stock clock speed.

These APUs don't overclock much afaik, and I don't see why you would need a cm 212+ over the stock cooler on stock settings. I'd imagine this is for a user that wouldn't know how to troubleshoot issues on her own so I wouldn't recommend overclocking it anyways.

That case costs 40$ after shipping plus tax. Get a nzxt source 210 from amazon.com for less. It would be superior in nearly every way, and clean looking too.
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I did not know that Llano chips like 1600, I always was told that AMD chips really don't like anything higher then 1333, so I didn't bother looking at 1600 sets. I will definitely change that.

As for the hyper 212, I chose it because my experience with stock coolers is they can be very noisy. And when your listening to a mumbling doctor I don't think I would want to hear some annoying 80mm fan. With the hyper, I can set it in the BIOS to run at probably 800rpms, as well as the intake and exhaust fan, and the PC will be whisper quiet.

And I don't have sales tax in WI, and I know she doesn't want a huge (to her) mid tower taking up a ton of space. SO I chose a matx case, and that was the cheapest. The Rosewill is small and overall unnoticeable. If you know of a better matx case for around 40-45 shipped let me know, I would prefer a case with some cable management since the Antec PSU isn't modular.
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Get 1600 ram and 8 GB of it, then get rid of the 120MM CPU fan that you won't need to pay for the other 4 GB of ram.

Really, unless your overclocking or want the PC to be super quiet, you won't need it.
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are you near a microcenter or frys?

she uses it for storage/photography, why a small ssd?

Recertified: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3750528AS 750GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16822148789
or get the 1t f1 when they go back in stock

id go with a htpc case for the setup
hec Black 0.7mm Thickness SECC Steel 7K09BBA30FNRX Micro ATX Media Center 300W Power Supply / HTPC Case $55/45ar
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811121100

for ram get this instead
Patriot Signature 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model PSD34G1600K $28
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820220567
Edited by ffejrxx - 10/31/11 at 4:28pm
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Llano chips basically want as much bandwidth (and memory speed) as possible because of the powerful CPU & GPU, or you will lose up to 20% performance in all-around tasks and up to 50% performance in games (depending on the game).

Many people will recommend over 1600MHz.

1600MHz I say is fine as the benefits above that start to become less visible, and most 1600MHz kits will overclock to well beyond (something 1333Mhz @ CL9 won't necessary do, because this is a generic RAM spec - no need for any specific IC binning, any IC can run 1333 CL9 1.5V as a minimum standard).

Don't bother with the 212+ if you're not getting a motherboard more suitable for overclocking (unheatsinked 3+1 phase on that - not that it isn't particularly ideal as Llano chips can be fairly power efficient, but you definitely want to consider a better VRM setup). Heck, don't even bother with the full-size case and PSU if expandability is not a concern. A small form factor case will do and even with the stock cooler you may be able to OC a fair bit. Don't even bother with getting an extremely "good" PSU (just don't get something mediocre). I would trust AMD's 100W APUs on a 220W power supply.
Edited by xd_1771 - 10/31/11 at 5:40pm
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BTW those APUs overclocks quite well Almost all reach 3.5Ghz from 2.6 stock, so A6 is a viable option. Even w/o OC it's a fast chip for cheaps.
And the AMD 1333 confusion comes from Athlon II and early Phenoms, because some people think those are the only AMD chips and spread the word of "AMD being so slow, don't even need good RAM"
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The following would be the same price, perform better and use similar power in almost all cases as you have described the use of the machine.

CPU/RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.747242
A G840 core is about 40% faster on average than an A6-llano core. The A6 may have more cores, but that won't provide any benefit for the uses you describe for the machine in the vast majority of cases. Having 2 faster cores will provide better performance more often than having 4 slower cores. The 1333 speed memory is no problem here because you won't be using an integrated GPU in this build suggestion. The G840 only supports 1333 speeds anyways. Also, the 65W TDP rating of the G840 is rated higher than 3rd party testing suggests, which shows this CPU to consume closer to 40W on full load.

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161379
This GPU is basically 3-4X as fast as the GPU in the A6. No comparison here. Any gaming will perform much better here, and you don't have to worry about your CPU sharing memory recourses with your GPU.

SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148441
This is a more widely respected 64GB option. Also seems to be one of the fastest available based on actual 3rd party testing.

MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157241
You don't have to worry about whether this MOBO has enough VRM oomf to handle the CPU, since your CPU is basically a 40W sipper. In the case of a llano build, you may find yourself needing to spend more on a MOBO to feel comfortable powering that 100W CPU.

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371033
I agree with this selection, great PSU, albeit, overkill for this build, the overhead means it should last forever.

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811154094
Slightly less expensive but popular option for micro-atx builds.

~$454 shipped.

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The following would be the same price, perform better and use similar power in almost all cases as you have described the use of the machine.

CPU/RAM: http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboD...t=Combo.747242
A G840 core is about 40% faster on average than an A6-llano core. The A6 may have more cores, but that won't provide any benefit for the uses you describe for the machine in the vast majority of cases. Having 2 faster cores will provide better performance more often than having 4 slower cores. The 1333 speed memory is no problem here because you won't be using an integrated GPU in this build suggestion. The G840 only supports 1333 speeds anyways. Also, the 65W TDP rating of the G840 is rated higher than 3rd party testing suggests, which shows this CPU to consume closer to 40W on full load.

GPU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814161379
This GPU is basically 3-4X as fast as the GPU in the A6. No comparison here. Any gaming will perform much better here, and you don't have to worry about your CPU sharing memory recourses with your GPU.

SSD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148441
This is a more widely respected 64GB option. Also seems to be one of the fastest available based on actual 3rd party testing.

MOBO: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813157241
You don't have to worry about whether this MOBO has enough VRM oomf to handle the CPU, since your CPU is basically a 40W sipper. In the case of a llano build, you may find yourself needing to spend more on a MOBO to feel comfortable powering that 100W CPU.

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817371033
I agree with this selection, great PSU, albeit, overkill for this build, the overhead means it should last forever.

Case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811154094
Slightly less expensive but popular option for micro-atx builds.

~$454 shipped.

Eric
Combo deal expired, +too expensive for an "aunt" build, imo.
OP, does she play Crysis? If no, didtch the 6670, and go Llano only. Windows is a multicore OS, so 4 cores are on average always faster than 2 cores, no matter tha Mhz.

A6-3650 - 120$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16819103943

Aunt mobo 4+1 VRM, SATA6, USB3 - 65$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16813153217

DDR3 2x2Gb 1.35v 1600 - 30$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820148475

Cheap 80+ PSU Seasonic 300W - 50$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817151089

Solid3 SSD, faster than the M4 - 100$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16820227728

Nice case - 30$
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16811164093

TOTAL - 390$ for some serious hardware. Ditch the SSD for an HDD and get 50$ off, your aunt won't notice
Also, the APU's HD6530 packs some serious punch, so your aunt can do light gaming (Dirt3) with ease
Edited by ronnin426850 - 11/1/11 at 3:27am
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