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^Agree. I've had good experience with Gentoo - specifically 1, 3, 4, 6, 7 of the topics you brought up. 2 sort of depends on the WM of your choice. I've had generally a good experience with DWM but it sounds like you want a full DE.
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+1 for gentoo and archlinux. i'm going to throw slackware in there as well...if anything it's stable

and since gnome2 was pretty much phased out, i've switched to xfce, not bad, A LOT better than the garbage they call gnome3
    
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klaxian, i found the same problems with multiple monitor support on an OEM machine (Dell Optiplex, Radeon 2400XT). You're not alone.
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If you really want some customized to squeeze every once of power out of your computer I suggest Gentoo (rolling-release source) or Arch (rolling-release binary). I suggest Gentoo because if you do a non-testing rolling release, amd64/x86 instead of the ~amd64/~x86 it is a very stable system and allows for only the stuff you want and need.

However if you don't feel like having to configure everything and want a better alternative to Ubuntu I have tried Linux Mint and find that it is a better user experience. Especially if you want it to work out of the dvd .ISO install it has codecs support galore along with alot of top needed programs off the bat. Also is still Gnome 2.x instead of Gnome 3.x which I cannot stand.

I would say stay away from Fedora and SUSE. I have a NASA competition project and the dev-kit we have to use is based on SUSE and I have found that SUSE is very buggy and not so great design with the KDE GUI they use. I would say stay away from RPM distro's.... I haven't used Fedora since they dropped the core out of the name.
This. It sounds like things are having difficulty being suited to your needs. Arch and Gentoo are highly configurable, and Arch in particular has a great wiki in my experience using it throughout the past year and a bit. The people on the forums are helpful for both distros so long as you don't ask to be spoonfed and check the wiki, Google, and search the forums for an answer first.

A quick comparison between Arch and Gentoo (note that I don't use Gentoo regularly, so most of this stuff is going off of memory for me for Gentoo stuff. If I screwed a fact up let me know):

Both are rolling release - never have headaches updating every 6 months to the newer, buggier version again! Both can also run a single command to update all of your packages to the latest version (emerge --sync for Gentoo, pacman -Syu for Arch

Both have a BSD-style config if I remember correctly (Arch for sure with it's rc.conf and system init in particular)

Arch has the AUR (Arch User Repository), I have trouble finding packages NOT in there lol.

Arch - Precompiled packages, Gentoo - packages are all compiled installed from source, optimized for your system. THIS IS THE BIGGEST FUNDAMENTAL DIFFERENCE BETWEEN THEM

Both require some amount of maintenance, and are designed around a user who pays attention to announcements on their site (sometimes they tell you to change a config file manually, or that net-tools is being deprecated and you have to change a couple of configs a little, for example). The package manager doesn't take care of everything, sometimes you have to do things manually.

Both also require a significant amount of time to setup than compared to say, Ubuntu, but you get exactly what you want out of your system, and you don't have a bunch of crap installed by default, or a configuration choice that you hate.

Feel free to shout us any more questions!

-Scott

Also, about the multiple monitors, "nvidia-settings" is your friend. Seriously. It takes the pain out of the configuration by generating a 10-monitor.conf for you (not sure what version of X.Org Ubuntu is on now, but if you don't know what 10-monitor.conf is for, on Arch you have the most recent version pretty much, and around 1.8-1.9 or something the configuration changed. It will generate a Xorg.conf otherwise.).
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If you really want some customized to squeeze every once of power out of your computer I suggest Gentoo (rolling-release source) or Arch (rolling-release binary). I suggest Gentoo because if you do a non-testing rolling release, amd64/x86 instead of the ~amd64/~x86 it is a very stable system and allows for only the stuff you want and need.

However if you don't feel like having to configure everything and want a better alternative to Ubuntu I have tried Linux Mint and find that it is a better user experience. Especially if you want it to work out of the dvd .ISO install it has codecs support galore along with alot of top needed programs off the bat. Also is still Gnome 2.x instead of Gnome 3.x which I cannot stand.

I would say stay away from Fedora and SUSE. I have a NASA competition project and the dev-kit we have to use is based on SUSE and I have found that SUSE is very buggy and not so great design with the KDE GUI they use. I would say stay away from RPM distro's.... I haven't used Fedora since they dropped the core out of the name.
I have never had a problem with Suse itself or Suse's KDE. CentOS is awesome and I swear by it on servers, why would you want him to stay away from RPM? I find it easy to handle and build packages more so than .deb...
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I find it easy to handle and build packages more so than .deb...
But most developers will release a .deb package if anything, most will just give the source, and few give .rpm packages. Simply put, it's easier to find .deb packages for software not in the repos, and the Debian/Ubuntu repos are much larger than fedora's or SUSE's. Perhaps this is the reason for the recommendation, also the fact is that many people who have used Aptitude or dpkg before prefer it because it's familiar.

Edit: Because this is not a highly Linux oriented forum, I should just clarify that repos = repository (common abbreviation) and dpkg = command line .deb package installer.
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post #17 of 22
Ah I see. I have seen the trend shifting towards .deb sadly.

@OP Listen everyone will give you their opinion on what to use. Just try a bunch see what you like and if you can live with it use it. From what I understand you want something you can work with and as a previous poster mentioned maybe linux mint is worth your while...
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and as a previous poster mentioned maybe linux mint is worth your while...
Something I want to add about Linux Mint: OP you said you don't like Unity, but I'm not sure if you are fine with Gnome 3, which annoyed the heck out of me when I tried it. Linux Mint is apparently going over to Gnome 3 :

http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/1...-adopt-gnome-3
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I could go on, but I think you get the point. If you've made it this far, thanks for reading!

Ubuntu seems like it is a freight train barreling ahead (to somewhere) without regard for any of the stops along the way. I'm not sure I can stay along for the ride, but the thought of going back to Windows after 10 years turns my stomach too. Is there another distro that is perhaps better for me and doesn't have the problems above? I'm willing to switch to an entirely different OS like BSD or something, but I do always need the latest hardware support so I think I'll have to stay on Linux for that. The most important things to me are:
  1. Good multi-screen support (3 screens)
  2. Snappy user experience with no lag (equal to or better than Windows), high interactivity
  3. Less buggy or fewer major bugs that affect everyone
  4. Able to watch fullscreen videos smoothly (Flash too if possible)
  5. Multi-core aware, multi-core transcoding, GPU transcoding if possible
  6. Supports my main apps: Chrome, Geany (or other IDE), music player (currently Audacious), IM client, Office suite
  7. Supports newest hardware quickly

The really sad thing is that I mainly only use my work computers for a web browser and IDE and I'm still frustrated by the user experience every day. Do you have problems with Ubuntu or Linux in general too? Do you have any solutions to the above issues? Any suggestions on a distro to switch to? Thanks OCN!

The problems you have listed here, are sadly inherent to linux in all shapes and forms. Some of them are problems due to lack of driver support, to "distro" philosophies, bad coding, poor package management, legacy code, etc.

Using any distro, is like fishing with a shotgun, you might be able to snag a few of the surface fish, you will eat of course, but you will never feast on catfish or some of the other tasty deep water fish.

Since 95% of the hardware support is given to distro's thru the kernel, your first and best bet to get the latest "hardware support", would be to maintain your own kernel for whichever distro you have chosen. this might not sound like an ideal option, but like ubuntu, you they maintain a main-line kernel ppa, that allows you to grab a packaged kernel of the latest they are using for the next release (or one they are toying with). there are also several ppa's that are user maintained that use different patches, compiled for a specific architecture, etc. this is for the ones that don't care much for building and maintaining their own kernel.

I would honestly say, distro hopping isn't going to return many useful results, outside of you might find a distro you like better, but it wont solve all your problems, if any honestly.

So my suggest to you, settle on a distro you like best, then maintain your own kernel, and any other package(s) you need the absolute tip top performance out of.

Sorry i can not be of more help, as most of the problems you have (even tho seem related) are all caused by different things. Linux would greatly benefit imho from some unification on some of its aspects, but at the same time it would destroy the ideas of OSS.

Hopefully these problems will get fixed/addressed in the future, but we can only hope and wait.
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Kernel solution (Google how to install it on Ubuntu if you feel a guide is necessary):
https://liquorix.net/

Most of your problems come from either Pulse, KDE/Gnome incompatibilities, bad proprietary drivers and/or Compiz in general.

Run something more vanilla like Debian if you have issues with Ubuntu. Most of your problems are easily remedied through configurable settings, or by uninstalling some of the less-than-useful crap you get with Ubuntu.
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