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High end professionals don't use Mac.

Photoshop, Illustrator and Final Cut are not high end usages.

I guarantee you that 99% of the Mac Pros out there in use are complete and utter overkill for the loads they handle.

Secondly, buisnesses don't have warm fuzzy feelings towards corporations and their products like users tend to develop. If I'm running a studio, I really couldn't care less if my desktop towers are made of smooth metal...all I care is what's in them and how much it costs to run them. Apple's Mac Pro is a MAJOR fail on those fronts and will cost you 3-4x the price for the same performance you could get elsewhere.

Trust me, I did price it out for some reason when buying new workstations just to see what the deal really was.

You can't pillage business wallets like you can with personal wallets, that's likely one of the main reasons for getting out of the market. It's simply not going to be as profitable as selling "shinies" to people that don't know better or don't care to know better.

REMEMBER THIS: Apple is now more profitable than the biggest and most evil oil companies on this planet. If you think they do ANYTHING that wouldn't directly increase their profit margins no matter the cost to their customers, you are a damned fool.
Tell me: What applications do the professionals use?
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19k for fully upgraded MAC Pro .... i could build that for 4k .... maybe 6 depending on RAM......

Dell build is about 11k for compairable build .... so idk ..... fail
Apple will charge you $1,500 to install CPUs that only cost $700 more than the base option. That's going off of retail prices, I'm sure they pay significantly less.

The people that would need a Mac Pro are (hopefully) to smart to fall for crap like this, hence terrible sales and now wanting to pull the plug. The people that need these machines don't get a warm feeling in their crotch based on the brand (aka: the company that put together the other companies' parts these days). Apple can't sell their lifestyle to those folks. We don't care. It's a computer. Get me the best price and put it together properly.

Gouging people that like shiny laptops and mobile devices is simply far easier and simpler with less overhead and less support cost while having much higher profit margins.

Again a reminder, this company is MORE profitable than the biggest oil companies. They do not care if they leave a couple hundred studios that still run Mac in the dark if they can improve their bottom line.
Edited by kweechy - 11/2/11 at 1:37am
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Tell me: What applications do the professionals use?
Houdini, Maya, Mari, Nuke, Katana, there's a bunch out there that are truly incredible. They tend to cost $3k+ per seat however.

Photoshop and Adobe junk IS used on "professional" work, what I am saying is that their software doesn't require a "professional" computer with 12 cores and 24GB memory. In fact After Effects couldn't even use more than 4GB until last year.

You can't even run their suite on Linux at all.
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post #104 of 221
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This is an artcile talking about Apple dumping their high end "professional" computers. Not the iMac or Mac Mini.
Professionals that demand 24/7 use out of their computers shouldn't be overclocking. That's pretty foolish if you're working on mission critical tasks IMO. They should be buying the speed they need to get the task done on time.
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Professionals that demand 24/7 use out of their computers shouldn't be overclocking. That's pretty foolish if you're working on mission critical tasks IMO. They should be buying the speed they need to get the task done on time.
BoxxTech for example sells overclocked workstations. They're heinously overpriced comparable to Apple, but their support is leagues ahead in fairness.

If you do it correctly and properly, it poses no more of a risk than stock clocks.

Secondly, Apple's Mac Pros aren't being used to host banking mainframes or anything that is TRULY mission critical...and seeing how they don't make servers, that just furthers that case.

Mac Pros are used as floor machines and working nodes, a crash on a G5 represents a loss of 30 minutes of work (they crash surprinsingly often I have to say for all the crap that gets thrown around to the contrary) for a single employee. The result is not the company being sued by investors for losing billions of dollars.

So yes, don't overclock your company's server. Overclocking floor nodes and work nodes on the other hand is a different story. All of my render nodes run 24/7 @ 5GHz for example, never lost a single render to crashes and again, if I ever do...I lost ONE frame. That's the extent of the damage.
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Houdini, Maya, Mari, Nuke, Katana, there's a bunch out there that are truly incredible. They tend to cost $3k+ per seat however.

Photoshop and Adobe junk IS used on "professional" work, what I am saying is that their software doesn't require a "professional" computer with 12 cores and 24GB memory. In fact After Effects couldn't even use more than 4GB until last year.

You can't even run their suite on Linux at all.
Are those apps available on Mac OS X as well? I know Houdini and Maya have OS X versions.

Edit: Mari and Nuke is Windows/Linux. Katana is 64-bit Linux.

I have heard of Mari and Nuke. They used that in a lot of movies like Tron Legacy and Thor and Harry Potter.
Edited by Riou - 11/2/11 at 2:03am
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Are those apps available on Mac OS X as well? I know Houdini and Maya have OS X versions.
Yes several have OSX versions. The issue is that you can't make a company nearly as profitable while running on Mac. Looking at what I'm running in my startup for example, it would cost me $20,000 to have the same render power with Mac that I paid $5,500 for otherwise.

You also can't make a render farm either on Mac, it would have to be Linux.

At that point, just make the whole thing Linux and save yourself tons of money on computers while you're at it...and that's what everyone does.

Apple would have to be willing to *only* make a 20-30% profit margin on Mac Pro to really be relevant in the professional world. It seems to me they aren't willing to do that, just like oil companies wouldn't NOT raise gas prices on a long weekend.

It clearly is truly all about making the most money humanly possible. I understand that it's business and that's how business works, but it's not a hard nor fast rule. A lot of companies take hits in certain areas to maintain a certain image or simply keep more customers happy even at a smaller profit margin.
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Yes several have OSX versions. The issue is that you can't make a company nearly as profitable while running on Mac. Looking at what I'm running in my startup for example, it would cost me $20,000 to have the same render power with Mac that I paid $5,500 for otherwise.

You also can't make a render farm either on Mac, it would have to be Linux.

At that point, just make the whole thing Linux and save yourself tons of money on computers while you're at it...and that's what everyone does.

Apple would have to be willing to *only* make a 20-30% profit margin on Mac Pro to really be relevant in the professional world. It seems to me they aren't willing to do that, just like oil companies wouldn't NOT raise gas prices on a long weekend.

It clearly is truly all about making the most money humanly possible. I understand that it's business and that's how business works, but it's not a hard nor fast rule. A lot of companies take hits in certain areas to maintain a certain image or simply keep more customers happy even at a smaller profit margin.
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Yes several have OSX versions. The issue is that you can't make a company nearly as profitable while running on Mac. Looking at what I'm running in my startup for example, it would cost me $20,000 to have the same render power with Mac that I paid $5,500 for otherwise.

You also can't make a render farm either on Mac, it would have to be Linux.

At that point, just make the whole thing Linux and save yourself tons of money on computers while you're at it...and that's what everyone does.

Apple would have to be willing to *only* make a 20-30% profit margin on Mac Pro to really be relevant in the professional world. It seems to me they aren't willing to do that, just like oil companies wouldn't NOT raise gas prices on a long weekend.

It clearly is truly all about making the most money humanly possible. I understand that it's business and that's how business works, but it's not a hard nor fast rule. A lot of companies take hits in certain areas to maintain a certain image or simply keep more customers happy even at a smaller profit margin.
Had to be quoted again, Rep'd.
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Yes several have OSX versions. The issue is that you can't make a company nearly as profitable while running on Mac. Looking at what I'm running in my startup for example, it would cost me $20,000 to have the same render power with Mac that I paid $5,500 for otherwise.

You also can't make a render farm either on Mac, it would have to be Linux.

At that point, just make the whole thing Linux and save yourself tons of money on computers while you're at it...and that's what everyone does.

Apple would have to be willing to *only* make a 20-30% profit margin on Mac Pro to really be relevant in the professional world. It seems to me they aren't willing to do that, just like oil companies wouldn't NOT raise gas prices on a long weekend.

It clearly is truly all about making the most money humanly possible. I understand that it's business and that's how business works, but it's not a hard nor fast rule. A lot of companies take hits in certain areas to maintain a certain image or simply keep more customers happy even at a smaller profit margin.
And that is why Mac Pro sales are declining. People can just run their applications on Windows/Linux.
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