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If I'm installing the RAM, HDDs, etc, all myself to avoid being MASSIVELY gouged...I think you've already answered why it's a horrible business model.
Edited by kweechy - 11/2/11 at 4:19am
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post #122 of 221
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Originally Posted by 2010rig;15541326 
How is my comparison wrong? I chose upgrade options that were presented to me.
It skews the results in favour of whatever competitor you're comparing it against because the upgrades from Apple will always be significantly more expensive in every scenario. Plus, you're comparing it against a self-built which is going to be cheaper regardless of whom you're buying it from.
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You're Right they are grossly overpriced, which is the point everyone keeps making, but you keep defending.
The hard drive and RAM upgrades are grossly overpriced, not the Mac Pro itself which as I said is on par with a Dell with just the CPU option upgraded.
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If I was the type of person to buy from Apple, I'd be buying the upgraded parts from them. Who buys a Mac and customizes it themselves? Doesn't that fall in the you're doing it wrong category?

If you're gonna custom build you gotta do it right from the get go.

I also modified the build, it's $12k now, with 32GB RAM.

My only SSD option is a 512 GB.
Aside from my first Mac, I've only ever bought the base model with the CPU/GPU upgraded and got the RAM from a third party. You don't buy upgrades from Apple.

It's $6,100 with just the CPU upgrade, which is just like it is from Dell.
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Originally Posted by Boinz;15541349 
Wait, I'm confused, hasn't your whole argument been about prebuilt macs being reliable and under warranty? If you're not buying the HDD's and ram sticks from Mac, how are they any more reliable or secured under warranty than a custom built, or even the dells?
I've not said that in this thread at all? Apple doesn't make their own RAM or HDDs so it doesn't really matter where you get them. (Albeit, I do get RAM which is advertised as meeting Apple's standards, which happens to cost the same and other RAM doesn't advertise such specs, not that they're necessarily important specs but I may as well go for the former.)

I do believe Macs are more reliable but that's a debate for another time.
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Originally Posted by kweechy;15541413 
If I'm installing the RAM, HDDs, etc, all myself to avoid being MASSIVELY gouged...I think you've already answered why it's a horrible business model.
It's a smart business model if many of your users don't know any better or somehow think the Mac hardware is superior although most definitely not a nice and fair one. I never said it was a good business model, but if you do your research as you should when your spending a large amount of money, you should find you should buy the upgrades (CPU/GPU aside) yourself.

>>>>>

Once again, the six-core 2.93GHz Mac Pro is only about $6,100 with only the CPU upgraded. An equiv. Dell is about the same, but Apple overcharges for RAM and HDDs greatly which means if you fully deck it out against an equiv. (e.g) Dell workstation, you'll see a large price difference whereas with just the CPU it'll be the same.

That means if you've bothered to do your research you can get a Mac Pro for the same price as a Dell, pretty much. Oh, and it's pointless comparing it to a self-built since the latter will always win regardless of hardware and regardless of whether it be Apple or Dell, or anyone.
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Originally Posted by kweechy;15540468 
Photoshop, Illustrator and Final Cut are not high end usages..
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Originally Posted by kweechy;15540543 
Photoshop and the Adobe suite is NOT professional grade. Their products aren't even gamma correct actually and are very fail at a lot of rudimentary math operations.

...what? confused.gif I though that other tools such as Premiere Pro were widely used in the industry.
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Originally Posted by Ovlazek;15534603 
The 27" iMac is a solid product. People always neglect to realize that it has a 27" 2560x1440 IPS display. Those are not cheap. Dell's equivalent is a $1000 monitor. On top of that it has a quadcore i5 and a 6970M. Believe it or not, it is better than any other all in one.

iMacs are a huge waste of money. HUGE! All in ones can't really be upgraded and are basically throw aways after 2-3 years. Plus an i5 ain't much to brag about. The towers were way better products.

A Mac Book Pro with a docking station and Cinema Display is way way smarter. It is the only option I would ever recommend to someone serious about getting a Mac.
Edited by BeerPowered - 11/2/11 at 8:52am
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Originally Posted by steelbom;15540146 
It'd definitely suck but you can't blame them if they're getting low sales. They might instead make a higher end iMac with a more powerful (non-xeon) processor.
Then it wouldn't be a workstation.
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Originally Posted by kweechy;15540520 
Also I need to add that I personally think you're a sucker if you buy a computer these days that cannot be overclocked. The amount of headroom in current architctures above the stock speeds makes it no longer excusable to buy into locked BIOS platforms.
This highly depends on the work that is being done. Something like financial modeling, near/real time, or highly dependent/long runtime workloads cannot risk errors. These tasks are willing to pay for the extra hardware rather than overclocking. It is just cost-benefit.
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Originally Posted by kweechy;15540664 
So yes, don't overclock your company's server. Overclocking floor nodes and work nodes on the other hand is a different story. All of my render nodes run 24/7 @ 5GHz for example, never lost a single render to crashes and again, if I ever do...I lost ONE frame. That's the extent of the damage.
Yup, your workload is resilient and not real-time.
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"Professionals" that use a Mac in my experience are usually website design/build teams and marketing dept employees. I know marketing used them heavily for logo designs, layouts, photoshoot editing and such. Also in IT we could fix them ourselves, no need for Apple to assist. Macs have technical issues, same as PC contrary to what most people believe.
Edited by BeerPowered - 11/2/11 at 9:08am
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Originally Posted by steelbom;15541246 
I'm pretty sure the GPUs for Mac's aren't the same as the GPU's for PCs.

lol
post #128 of 221
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Originally Posted by steelbom;15541627 

Aside from my first Mac, I've only ever bought the base model with the CPU/GPU upgraded and got the RAM from a third party. You don't buy upgrades from Ap

i think most low end developers would like to keep their warranty instead of voiding it with 3rd party ram

secondly...if you dont use the other system extensively, then please dont try and think you know its reliability
post #129 of 221
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Originally Posted by Boinz;15541079 
I completely agree, not workstation related, but have you tried building an alienware recently? My friend was just on there the other day just seeing how much it would come to and

50-cent-and-earnie.gif
If it wasn't considered REP abuse I'd upvo... REP you for that image alone.
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post #130 of 221
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Originally Posted by Ovlazek;15534603 
The 27" iMac is a solid product. People always neglect to realize that it has a 27" 2560x1440 IPS display. Those are not cheap. Dell's equivalent is a $1000 monitor.

The UltraSharp U2711 is $815 on Amazon right now. Also, keep in mind that Apple doesn't pay anywhere near that for the LG panels.
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Originally Posted by Ovlazek;15534603 
On top of that it has a quadcore i5 and a 6970M. Believe it or not, it is better than any other all in one.

Until a fleetingly brief amount of time passes, and you're stuck with an obsolete all-in-one that cannot be upgraded by the end-user apart from RAM. The 6970M is, as the letter M indicates, a laptop GPU. Despite the name, it's actually based on the 6850 ($150 on the Windows side) and has 960 stream processors as opposed to the desktop 6970's 1,536. Want a better one? Buy a new Mac.
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Originally Posted by Xristo;15535544 
true , my bad

Should of used normal > queer .. didnt realise people got offended , i wasnt directing it at anybody on here ...

anywayss back OT -_-

rolleyes.gif
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Originally Posted by mountains;15539951 
This would really piss me off. Apple's just begging to get people to violate its license agreement and install OS X on non-Apple computers if they drop the Mac Pro from the lineup; a powerful computer is damned useful for video encoding and other artistic/creative tasks. Why would Apple basically screw over such a core demographic?

Because they care about money, not their customers.

Good thing end-user license agreements don't mean anything. wink.gif
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Originally Posted by steelbom;15540146 
It'd definitely suck but you can't blame them if they're getting low sales. They might instead make a higher end iMac with a more powerful (non-xeon) processor.

Yeah, actually you can blame them, as some of us in this thread have already given numerous reasons why.
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Originally Posted by kweechy;15540468 
High end professionals don't use Mac.

Photoshop, Illustrator and Final Cut are not high end usages.

I guarantee you that 99% of the Mac Pros out there in use are complete and utter overkill for the loads they handle.

Stop by MacRumors and take a look around. You'll find that most Mac Pros function as $20,000 portals to Twitter, Facebook and DeviantArt.
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