Originally Posted by 2010rig;15541326
How is my comparison wrong? I chose upgrade options that were presented to me.
It skews the results in favour of whatever competitor you're comparing it against because the upgrades from Apple will always be significantly more expensive in every scenario. Plus, you're comparing it against a self-built which is going to be cheaper regardless of whom you're buying it from.
You're Right they are grossly overpriced, which is the point everyone keeps making, but you keep defending.
The hard drive and RAM upgrades are grossly overpriced, not the Mac Pro itself which as I said is on par with a Dell with just the CPU option upgraded.
If I was the type of person to buy from Apple, I'd be buying the upgraded parts from them. Who buys a Mac and customizes it themselves? Doesn't that fall in the you're doing it wrong category?
If you're gonna custom build you gotta do it right from the get go.
I also modified the build, it's $12k now, with 32GB RAM.
My only SSD option is a 512 GB.
Aside from my first Mac, I've only ever bought the base model with the CPU/GPU upgraded and got the RAM from a third party. You don't buy upgrades from Apple.
It's $6,100 with just the CPU upgrade, which is just like it is from Dell.
Originally Posted by Boinz;15541349
Wait, I'm confused, hasn't your whole argument been about prebuilt macs being reliable and under warranty? If you're not buying the HDD's and ram sticks from Mac, how are they any more reliable or secured under warranty than a custom built, or even the dells?
I've not said that in this thread at all? Apple doesn't make their own RAM or HDDs so it doesn't really matter where you get them. (Albeit, I do get RAM which is advertised as meeting Apple's standards, which happens to cost the same and other RAM doesn't advertise such specs, not that they're necessarily important specs but I may as well go for the former.)
I do believe Macs are more reliable but that's a debate for another time.
Originally Posted by kweechy;15541413
If I'm installing the RAM, HDDs, etc, all myself to avoid being MASSIVELY gouged...I think you've already answered why it's a horrible business model.
It's a smart business model if many of your users don't know any better or somehow think the Mac hardware is superior although most definitely not a nice and fair one. I never said it was a good business model, but if you do your research as you should when your spending a large amount of money, you should find you should buy the upgrades (CPU/GPU aside) yourself.
Once again, the six-core 2.93GHz Mac Pro is only about $6,100 with only the CPU upgraded. An equiv. Dell is about the same, but Apple overcharges for RAM and HDDs greatly which means if you fully deck it out against an equiv. (e.g) Dell workstation, you'll see a large price difference whereas with just the CPU it'll be the same.
That means if you've bothered to do your research you can get a Mac Pro for the same price as a Dell, pretty much. Oh, and it's pointless comparing it to a self-built since the latter will always win regardless of hardware and regardless of whether it be Apple or Dell, or anyone.