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iMacs are a huge waste of money. HUGE! All in ones can't really be upgraded and are basically throw aways after 2-3 years. Plus an i5 ain't much to brag about. The towers were way better products.

A Mac Book Pro with a docking station and Cinema Display is way way smarter. It is the only option I would ever recommend to someone serious about getting a Mac.
They are most definitely not. An enthusiast wouldn't really buy an all-in-one yet the majority don't upgrade their computer every year or swap out parts when better ones come along, and they do. They hold their value very well.

It's an i5 quad-core 3.1GHz which isn't anything spectacular but if you take into account the fact that it combines it with a 6970M (which equals about a 10% lower clocked 6850 desktop) it's pretty impressive in an all-in-one form factor. There's all-in-one's out there that match the CPU but none with the GPU as well.
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Then it wouldn't be a workstation.
No, it wouldn't be. But it still might offer more performance which is appealing to the majority.
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lol
I find it amusing how you only quote that part and not me explaining why I think that. There's no reason to expect that a GPU that supports EFI and BIOS emulation is identical to a GPU that only supports BIOS. They can flash PC GPUs but it never works out with the same functionality. I'm not talking about performance here either.
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i think most low end developers would like to keep their warranty instead of voiding it with 3rd party ram
Your insult is petty, but nonetheless you don't void your warranty by putting in third party RAM. In fact, Apple offers a guide on how to do so.
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secondly...if you dont use the other system extensively, then please dont try and think you know its reliability
What are you talking about? Unless you're talking about my saying I believe Macs are more reliable, in which case the quoted text makes no sense whatsoever.
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Until a fleetingly brief amount of time passes, and you're stuck with an obsolete all-in-one that cannot be upgraded by the end-user apart from RAM. The 6970M is, as the letter M indicates, a laptop GPU. Despite the name, it's actually based on the 6850 ($150 on the Windows side) and has 960 stream processors as opposed to the desktop 6970's 1,536. Want a better one? Buy a new Mac.
You know, the majority don't upgrade their computer or buy a new one every year unlike enthusiasts which are quite a small minority. That's right, it has near the performance of a desktop GPU in an all-in-one, the best performance competitors get with the GPU (and a good CPU) is pathetic.

The good thing though, is they have high resell value. So you can sell yours and buy a new one with very little loss... bit more of a hassle but the gain is worth it. I intend to do that with mine assuming the hardware upgrade is a worth it.
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Yeah, actually you can blame them, as some of us in this thread have already given numerous reasons why.
I must have missed them. Unless you're talking about the +$1000 cost compared to the competition's equiv. from the base model Mac Pro (/ with upgraded CPU only). They don't really have much choice with that one, it'll slow down iMac sales substantially.

If I could pickup a Mac Pro for $1,500 I'd not have gotten my $1199 iMac. I'd have forked out a bit more plus a display.
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iMacs are a huge waste of money. HUGE! All in ones can't really be upgraded and are basically throw aways after 2-3 years. Plus an i5 ain't much to brag about. The towers were way better products.

A Mac Book Pro with a docking station and Cinema Display is way way smarter. It is the only option I would ever recommend to someone serious about getting a Mac.
You can complain about AIOs, but not the iMac in particular because it's excellent for an AIO.
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The real issue here is development. iOS and OS X application need to be developed on an OS X platform, and the Mac Pro is not only the fastest Mac shipping by a wide margin, it's also the only one with swappable components.

I doubt many people are going to be interested in developing on a Mac Mini or a laptop.
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You can complain about AIOs, but not the iMac in particular because it's excellent for an AIO.
We're talking about MacPro's, at least, that's what this thread is supposed to be about.
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You can complain about AIOs, but not the iMac in particular because it's excellent for an AIO.
We're talking about MacPro's, at least, that's what this thread is supposed to be about.

The topic at hand is how overpriced they are, and therefore are low in demand.
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The topic at hand is how overpriced they are, and therefore are low in demand.
It's more the reverse - Apple perceives a sales (and thus demand) problem and OCN's concluded that pricing is the culprit.
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Overpriced components, 2 year old hardware is also the problem.

I'm not surprised they're getting out, rather then being competitive.

It wouldn't be Apple like to price things competitively.
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Overpriced components, 2 year old hardware is also the problem.
I forgot, those Xeon chips are out already right?
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The mac pro is the worst waste of money in the whole computer world
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I forgot, those Xeon chips are out already right?
Not sure what you mean, those are Westmere chips released in 2010.

For example, the MacPro that is $4999 comes with 2 E5650's, which retail for $996 each. Now, you know Apple isn't paying retail price to get those.

Even if they were, that's $2000 in processors, the rest of the hardware is no where near $3000 worth, considering it comes with a beefy 5770 + 6 x 1GB DIMM's, 1 TB hard drive...

Maybe the case is worth $2000 who knows.
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