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Originally Posted by steelbom View Post
Installing user replaceable parts doesn't void your warranty http://docs.info.apple.com/article.html?artnum=13946
Whoa whoa WHOA! Hold on a minute. That is NOT what you said!

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Originally Posted by steelbom View Post
Your insult is petty, but nonetheless you don't void your warranty by putting in third party RAM. In fact, Apple offers a guide on how to do so.
You said 3rd-party RAM! Stop changing your statements. We had this problem in the last thread. You are going "Oh wait, I'm wrong, but I really meant" crap all over again.

I provided you with Apple's legal document concerning their warranty service. It specifically states ONLY if the RAM is covered under their APP and that it is Apple's ram modules. Therefore, you are wrong; you, specifically speaking of the average home mac user consisting of less then 50 mac units, cannot place 3rd party RAM modules in your mac system while not voiding your warranty. One of your sources even says you can't. It must be tested by Apple themselves...that is not the definition of a 3rd party.

You state in a thread that you are going around stopping all the "wrong" information about Apple products and or going to write up an article addressing the "wrongs" people state against Apple. This is ridiculous...you just state "NO" before even thinking...it's just blind following...
Edited by Domino - 11/2/11 at 8:47pm
post #152 of 221
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Originally Posted by DuckieHo View Post
Please go back and read.

I said "Conversely, I see future enthusiasts/professionals doing the opposite. "

Hurrrrrrrr.
I don't think that means what you think it means.

"Conversely" is not used to negate yourself. That's cognitive dissonance. Derrrp.

"Conversely" is used to introduce an idea, and while maintaining the integrity of the original idea, introduce the inverse of that idea. For instance:
Quote:
If a country exports more than they're importing, they have a trade surplus. Conversely, if a country imports more than they're exporting, they have a trade deficit.
That is proper use.

This is not:
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In the future, herp no more desktops, everything will be phones.
Conversely, there will be desktops, I lied.


EDIT: You have several options. I suggest you edit your original post to better express your thoughts. And I want a public apology.
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post #153 of 221
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And I want a public apology.
You're joking right? I don't think Ducky publicly announced any negativity about you. Can you quote us with a thread where Ducky states some means of negativity or distrust towards you? A mass e-mail to all OCN members about your distrust?

If anything, please resort to some form of professional instead of initializing a conversation with a "hurrrrrrrr". This is a professional board. Ducky made a solid argument that has warrant.
Edited by Domino - 11/2/11 at 10:01pm
post #154 of 221
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Originally Posted by Domino View Post
Whoa whoa WHOA! Hold on a minute. That is NOT what you said!

You said 3rd-party RAM! Stop changing your statements. We had this problem in the last thread. You are going "Oh wait, I'm wrong, but I really meant" crap all over again.
I've not changed my statement whatsoever, I'm saying the exactly the same thing I was from the beginning, that you can replace your RAM and do so with third party RAM. Additionally, I think the problem was not my changing my statements, but you reading into them just like now.
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I provided you with Apple's legal document concerning their warranty service. It specifically states ONLY if the RAM is covered under their APP and that it is Apple's ram modules. Therefore, you are wrong; you, specifically speaking of the average home mac user consisting of less then 50 mac units, cannot place 3rd party RAM modules in your mac system while not voiding your warranty. One of your sources even says you can't. It must be tested by Apple themselves...that is not the definition of a 3rd party.

You state in a thread that you are going around stopping all the "wrong" information about Apple products and or going to write up an article addressing the "wrongs" people state against Apple. This is ridiculous...you just state "NO" before even thinking...it's just blind following...
What you quoted was legal jargon I didn't really want to read through. However, after doing so, it is talking about what is covered under their warranty and I never said it was. However, there is nothing that says the warranty for your iMac is voided by using third party RAM. (Or even hard drives in the case of the MacBook.)

As I said, both are user replaceable parts. It's designed that way by Apple, and they state that doing so won't void your warranty although Apple won't repair anything you break in the process of installing them. You'll see below that stating that "third party RAM isn't covered under the warranty" (which simply means they won't replace it for you since they didn't sell you it) doesn't mean "your iMac warranty is voided".

Below are quotes from posts in threads (with links to the full threads) as well as direct links to other threads not quoted which all in every way say exactly what I have been saying. It doesn't void your warranty to install third party RAM, if you damage it in the process you will have to pay for repairs for that specifically.

You've asked for it now so I'm going all out:

MacRumors states on their RAM guide that it won't void your warranty to install third party RAM. (Scroll to the bottom.)

Here's a post from MacRumors which discusses the issue in which a user posts this:
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However, are they legally allowed NOT to service my system with third-party hardwares present? Looking through my APP contract, it does not state that Apple will not service a system with third-party hardwares.

The only limitations on what the plan does not cover regarding third-party hardwares are these following clauses (I've search through the clauses for anything remotely linked to third-part hardwares):-

1b(ii):Repair converage.
Limitations. The Plan does not cover:

Damage to the Covered Equipment caused by accident, abuse, neglect, misuse (including faulty installation, repair, or maintenance by anyone other than Apple or an Apple Authorized Service Provider), unauthorized modification*, extreme environment (including extreme temperature or humidity), extreme physical or electrical stress or interference, fluctuation or surges of electrical power, lightning, static electricity, fire, acts of God or other external causes;

*installation of RAMs is not considered as unauthorized modification because Apple specifically classified RAMs as user-serviceable. It even lists out the specs of the RAMs for each model (which they won't if they don't want us sourcing the DIMMs for ourselves), and a DIY instruction on installing them.

2b(iii) Technical Support/Limitations.

The Plan does not cover:

Your use of or modification to the Covered Equipment, the Mac OS, IPod Software Software in a manner for which the Covered Equipment or software is not intended to be used or modified.**

** Same as *.

2b(iv)

The Plan does not cover:

Third-party products or their effects on or interaction with the Covered Equipment, the Mac OS, iPod Software or Consumer Software.***

*** What this means is the APP does not cover the third-party hardwares, nor does Apple Technical provides any support for any possible inteference or effects caused to the Covered Equipment etc by the third-party hardwares.

No where in the contract does it state that APP will not cover a Covered Product with third-party hardwares present though.
Again here's another from mac-forums:
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Apple officially considers RAM to be a "user upgradeable item." So they're good with it.

I can also tell you that, legally speaking, they aren't allowed to void your entire warranty just because you didn't use their upgrade parts or have them perform the upgrade. This was determined years ago in a legal case where a car company tried to void a warranty on a car because it was repaired by an independent mechanic who used non-OEM parts.

They *can* refuse to cover under warranty any damage done to your Mac while doing the upgrade if you don't have Apple do it, and they *can* of course refuse to warranty the third-party RAM. But third party RAM is covered by the third-party's warranty.

You should know that if at some point in the future you send your Mac in to Apple for repair that they love to almost automatically remove your third-party RAM, often even in cases where the RAM can't even logically be related to the problem that your Mac is having, and return it to you in a plastic bag with your repaired Mac. (i.e. they won't re-install it for you.)

+1 on the recommendation of OWC RAM.
Here's one from Apple's own support community:
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No, you will not void your warranty, but of course you won't be covered for any problem they trace to bad ram. It's not a bad idea to hold to the original ram, because Applecare does sometimes ask you to remove all third party ram when troubleshooting.
Here's some more from Apple's own community support forums:
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No, adding 3rd party memory does not void your warranty, neither the standard warranty nor AppleCare. Apple will of course not support the third-party memory, nor cover any damage you might do while installing the memory. But if you purchase quality memory and take proper caution while installing (grounding yourself, being careful of the clips, etc.) you shouldn't have any problems.
Here's another:
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Hi Nicolas,

Installing 3rd party RAM will not void your limited warranty or AppleCare Protection Plan. However...

If while removing the existing RAM or installing the new RAM you damage the internals of the machine due to force or neglect that would be considered accidental damage and not be covered by the limited one-year warranty or the AppleCare Protection Plan.

Secondly, Apple's coverage does not extend to cover your 3rd party RAM.

Another:
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Hi,

1. No. RAM upgrades do not void the warranty.
2. Apple doesn't care if there is a third party hard drive or RAM. They will repair the computer upgraded or not. Apple offers no support and will not repair third party upgrades, however.

3. They will not install the RAM if the memory is not Apple RAM (they won't install OWC or Crucial). It's so easy to install RAM yourself. Take out the battery, remove the screws, pop the old RAM out and put the new RAM in.
I know for sure the three RAM brands you mentioned do not need the 6 hour run. I have been a customer of OWC for 5 years and have never had a problem with their RAM. I would buy from them; inexpensive, reliable, very good performance, and a lifetime warranty.

Best of luck,

-Brian
More threads, all saying the same thing:

https://discussions.apple.com/message/2751913#2751913
https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0
https://discussions.apple.com/thread...art=0&tstart=0
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1179028
http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=668537
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Are those apps available on Mac OS X as well? I know Houdini and Maya have OS X versions.

Edit: Mari and Nuke is Windows/Linux. Katana is 64-bit Linux.

I have heard of Mari and Nuke. They used that in a lot of movies like Tron Legacy and Thor and Harry Potter.
Yeah our studio was actually lucky enough to land a lot of the Tron Legacy shots. Was quite heavy Nuke work in addition to CGI.

Mari and Nuke are the backbone of pretty much every film production now right alongside programs like Maya and Houdini. They are two of the most incredibly well written pieces of software I've ever had the pleasure of using in my life. Even after MONTHS using them, I'm still just awestruck at how beautifully crafted they are...the mathematical perfection coupled with simplicity and flawless functionality, my god.

The fact that you can open a file that looks like this and work with it at the speed of thought is just incredible. This isn't even close to as complicated as I've worked with either, just happens to be what I've got open right now.
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I don't know what that is, but I want it.
 
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I don't think that means what you think it means.

"Conversely" is not used to negate yourself. That's cognitive dissonance. Derrrp.

"Conversely" is used to introduce an idea, and while maintaining the integrity of the original idea, introduce the inverse of that idea. For instance:


That is proper use.

This is not:




EDIT: You have several options. I suggest you edit your original post to better express your thoughts. And I want a public apology.
I thought the point he was trying to make was users will flock away from desktops, but some users (enthusiasts) will stay with desktops. Maybe use contrastingly instead of conversely if you want to be a pedant?
Edited by Riou - 11/2/11 at 10:33pm
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Originally Posted by dzalias View Post
I don't think that means what you think it means.

"Conversely" is not used to negate yourself. That's cognitive dissonance. Derrrp.

"Conversely" is used to introduce an idea, and while maintaining the integrity of the original idea, introduce the inverse of that idea. For instance:


That is proper use.

This is not:




EDIT: You have several options. I suggest you edit your original post to better express your thoughts. And I want a public apology.
Point 1: conversely: in a contrary or opposite way; on the other hand, Introducing a statement or idea that reverses one that has just been made or referred to.
Mainstream users will rely more on smartphones than desktops. Conversely, non-mainstream users will rely on more desktops than smartphones.
Point 2: You are arguing about semantics. Why are you bothering to attack sentence structure when I have made valid and dependable points on topic.
Point 3: Who are you to ask for an apology. You started this pointless and off topic endeavor. Who cares?
Edited by DuckieHo - 11/2/11 at 10:49pm
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the stupidity of OCN sometimes....

The Mac Pro runs the most current processor intel has availible....SB-E isn't out for another few weeks, and SB doesn't support more than 4 cores.....

thus Nehalem (1366) is the only option they have
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the stupidity of OCN sometimes....

The Mac Pro runs the most current processor intel has availible....SB-E isn't out for another few weeks, and SB doesn't support more than 4 cores.....

thus Nehalem (1366) is the only option they have
Read the article and sources.

http://forums.macrumors.com/showthread.php?t=1267234

http://www.appleinsider.com/articles...f_mac_pro.html
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