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Again, if your work is done in Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc., you literally cannot make use of 12 cores. The vast majority of that $5,000 is thrown away.

When considering the Adobe suite, you need to just imagine what you would buy for gaming. Something that will blaze on lightly threaded work loads with high clock speeds + turbo and not a lot of cores.

You wouldn't handle the custom PC builds yourself, can contract that out very cheaply. Pretty easy to get a system built for under $100. Only need to reasearch the parts list once and then buy 20 of everything.

I think you end up better in the long run as well since you can sell CPUs, motherboards all separately...generally fetches more cash that way.

Anyway this is for smaller companies like I was saying, but far as I know, that's the Mac Pro's main demographic. Once you start getting 50+ units, you're reaching into enterprise levels where the Mac platform is no longer really viable compared to Win/Lin.

I still have no idea how I feel in regards to ECC memory versus non-ECC when it comes to the non mission critical floor machines. Never in my life have I been the victim of a critical bit flip and I'm running 128GB non-ECC memory 24/7. In a server I would use ECC just for peace of mind of course.
Edited by kweechy - 11/5/11 at 3:41am
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When you buy an iMac you have a warranty for that iMac. When you purchase and install two 4GB modules of third party RAM, your iMac is under Apple's warranty but that RAM is not. That means any problem unrelated to that RAM or to "user error" is covered.
Yes, so you are voided from Apple's warranty for the RAM modules. You receive no support. You said you do, but their legal papers say they don't. You said you aren't voided for 3rd party modules and yet you don't have any legal protection if you need help with memory problems. Sounds like they include marketing even in their legal papers if they still sucker you into thinking you have warranty protection. Like you said, they more then likely remove the memory. Once they find it was the memories' problem, you're on a sinking boat.

Can't get any clearer. Tough.

Just to give people a heads up. There are many companies that will build custom servers on mass. You'll pay part price, some companies even offer 25% off from the difference towards the lowest price. They charge 50 dollars for assembly for each system.

Apple keeps suckering people in. Same goes for Dell.
Edited by Domino - 11/5/11 at 3:51am
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The only thing like about Mac pro is its cabinet, everything else is simply a waste of money.
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The only thing like about Mac pro is its cabinet, everything else is simply a waste of money.
Can you do custom builds with Mac Pro shells or do they not use standard motherboard sizes/mounts?

Edit: Nevermind, seeing lots out there.
Edited by kweechy - 11/5/11 at 4:06am
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post #215 of 221
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Again, if your work is done in Photoshop, Illustrator, InDesign, etc., you literally cannot make use of 12 cores. The vast majority of that $5,000 is thrown away.

When considering the Adobe suite, you need to just imagine what you would buy for gaming. Something that will blaze on lightly threaded work loads with high clock speeds + turbo and not a lot of cores.

You wouldn't handle the custom PC builds yourself, can contract that out very cheaply. Pretty easy to get a system built for under $100. Only need to reasearch the parts list once and then buy 20 of everything.

I think you end up better in the long run as well since you can sell CPUs, motherboards all separately...generally fetches more cash that way.

Anyway this is for smaller companies like I was saying, but far as I know, that's the Mac Pro's main demographic. Once you start getting 50+ units, you're reaching into enterprise levels where the Mac platform is no longer really viable compared to Win/Lin.

I still have no idea how I feel in regards to ECC memory versus non-ECC when it comes to the non mission critical floor machines. Never in my life have I been the victim of a critical bit flip and I'm running 128GB non-ECC memory 24/7. In a server I would use ECC just for peace of mind of course.
That's true you don't need twelve cores for those specific applications but what about for Final Cut Pro? Avid's video production software or Pro Tools, etc.? They all scale well with multicore systems don't they?
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Yes, so you are voided from Apple's warranty for the RAM modules. You receive no support. You said you do, but their legal papers say they don't. You said you aren't voided for 3rd party modules and yet you don't have any legal protection if you need help with memory problems. Sounds like they include marketing even in their legal papers if they still sucker you into thinking you have warranty protection. Like you said, they more then likely remove the memory. Once they find it was the memories' problem, you're on a sinking boat.

Can't get any clearer. Tough.
Finally we're in agreement. Although, I never said that they cover "third party" RAM under Apple's warranty, only that it doesn't void your iMac's warranty and that you have to pay for any damages related to you installing the RAM, or the RAM malfunctioning, etc.

That's not really ever going to be a problem though for the following reasons:

1) RAM is usually pretty reliable so this isn't going to happen often
2) In the case that it does and your iMac stops booting up, you can remove it and see if that fixes the problem (best to send it in without it anyway), if it does get your replacement from whoever you got it from (OWC has lifetime warranties)
3) RAM doesn't damage system components so it'll never affect anything else
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Finally we're in agreement.
We aren't. You were providing false information about Apple's warranty. I provided correct information. You were wrong. Oh well, at least you were corrected now, I hope you don't bash Apple with wrong information again.
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We aren't. You were providing false information about Apple's warranty. I provided correct information. You were wrong. Oh well, at least you were corrected now, I hope you don't bash Apple with wrong information again.
Sigh... I've not said anything false.

All I've said is that Apple's warranty for your iMac isn't voided when you add third party RAM, you said it was, which is your fault for not being clear what you meant. I never once said that Apple's warranty covers third party RAM.
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You're joking right? I don't think Ducky publicly announced any negativity about you. Can you quote us with a thread where Ducky states some means of negativity or distrust towards you? A mass e-mail to all OCN members about your distrust?

If anything, please resort to some form of professional instead of initializing a conversation with a "hurrrrrrrr". This is a professional board. Ducky made a solid argument that has warrant.
LOL


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Point 1: conversely: in a contrary or opposite way; on the other hand, Introducing a statement or idea that reverses one that has just been made or referred to.
Mainstream users will rely more on smartphones than desktops. Conversely, non-mainstream users will rely on more desktops than smartphones.
Point 2: You are arguing about semantics. Why are you bothering to attack sentence structure when I have made valid and dependable points on topic.
Point 3: Who are you to ask for an apology. You started this pointless and off topic endeavor. Who cares?
1. Conversely is not used to explicitely contradict yourself. Please restructure your thoughts or use a different word. Say what you mean. Otherwise I'll have to report you to the internet police.

2. Yes. Why did you end that question with a period? Reported.

3. Am I the only one who still cares about the rules?
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I still have no idea how I feel in regards to ECC memory versus non-ECC when it comes to the non mission critical floor machines. Never in my life have I been the victim of a critical bit flip and I'm running 128GB non-ECC memory 24/7. In a server I would use ECC just for peace of mind of course.
Bit flips happen all the time, but 99.99999% of the time it manifests itself in the most benign way. I mean, if you were playing a video game and the AI had to decide what direction to run in, would you ever know if that decision was the result of a bit flip? What if your computer crashed while trying to load up a flash site?

But in a server, where most of the data that goes in and out of memory can be extremely important, any bit flip is likely to cause trouble. All it takes is one bit to bump up an employee's salary from $100,000 to $4,294,304 (bit #22). That would be one lucky employee.
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But in a server, where most of the data that goes in and out of memory can be extremely important, any bit flip is likely to cause trouble. All it takes is one bit to bump up an employee's salary from $100,000 to $4,294,304 (bit #22). That would be one lucky employee.
At least until the accounting department caught on and came to collect the illicit windfall
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