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Why? Because I'm talking business IT sense, and not prone to measuring with the yardstick of a gaming computer? Duckie is about the only other person being rational about this in this thread. Of course, IIRC he is involved in corp IT.

Could you spend less money and get a more powerful machine than a MacPro (even when Nehalem was king)? Sure. Will it have the institutional warranty/service backing of the MacPro? Could you get it replaced within a day or two, or the same day? Probably not. In corp/institutional IT reliability is paramount. Otherwise you lose all that money you "saved" in downtime.

You buy CPUs in bulk to build machines or repair them-you're going to have lemons. Quite a few. One of the posters on this board works in a server farm and ordered 200 some odd CPUs. 30 of them were DOA. You can't have that in spare parts if you're building and maintaining your own machines. Hence prebuilts a la MacPro.
Have you not heard of the RMA process? You have just as much of a chance to get a lemon MacPro as you do getting those lemon CPU's. Even over the course of its life. In both situations you have to deal with failure, lemons and the RMA process. Also in both situations parts would be covered under a warranty of some sort.

Hence your whole point is moot and we return to the argument of which is cheaper and which performs better, which is a custom built rig. Prebuilts a la MacPro make IT guys lazy, that is all.
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Have you not heard of the RMA process? You have just as much of a chance to get a lemon MacPro as you do getting those lemon CPU's. Even over the course of its life. In both situations you have to deal with failure, lemons and the RMA process. Also in both situations parts would be covered under a warranty of some sort.

Hence your whole point is moot and we return to the argument of which is cheaper and which performs better, which is a custom built rig. Prebuilts a la MacPro make IT guys lazy, that is all.
You should read through this thread. Large companies don't have time for custom built rigs, period. Time is money.
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^lordikon hit the nail on the head. lol, yeah RMA single parts for some guy whose making $300 a day working. Wait, 4 days of downtime on 1 system.. hm. Looks like it'd be cheaper just to get same/next-day onsite warranty.

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^^^.... surely you can't be serious... You can put together a box to compete with their most powerful for about 1/3 of the price... just because dell and lenovo are overpriced by ~100% doesn't make a mac less overpriced haha.
Those Xeon quad cores cost like $500+. 6-cores are in the $1500 range. Single-socket server motherboards, easily $400+. Sure they're all "overpriced", but if you do mission-critical work and need a Xeon system with on-site warranty you can't do much better than Dell/Lenovo pricing.. which is only $300ish cheaper (depends on build of course).

So I think your real issue is that Xeon CPU's are overpriced.
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Have you not heard of the RMA process? You have just as much of a chance to get a lemon MacPro as you do getting those lemon CPU's. Even over the course of its life. In both situations you have to deal with failure, lemons and the RMA process. Also in both situations parts would be covered under a warranty of some sort.

Hence your whole point is moot and we return to the argument of which is cheaper and which performs better, which is a custom built rig. Prebuilts a la MacPro make IT guys lazy, that is all.
Your arguement is missing key points:
1) What's the turnaround of the RMA process? Is it guaranteed to be less than 3 days or 24hrs?
2) Does the RMA process guarantee a drop in compatiable replacement? If a 5 year old server fails, can you be 100% sure that you will be able to get exactly the same component? This is important with multisocket CPUs, HD/RAID compatiblity, RAM compatiblity, and custom software that explicitly assigning devices.
3) Does your IT offer 24/7/365 support?
4) Does your IT offer escalation support? If he/she/they do not have an answer, can they get it from someone else? i.e. Can they contact IBM or Microsoft engineers?
Edited by DuckieHo - 11/1/11 at 11:39am
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We've had at least one more senior position (5+ yr exp) open for the last 2 years.

We had an entry level spot but that was filled up already.
Such a shame I don't have my BS yet!

I would't mind working in NYC lol
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We've had at least one more senior position (5+ yr exp) open for the last 2 years.

We had an entry level spot but that was filled up already.
Really?? Where are you located?




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Such a shame I don't have my BS yet!

I would't mind working in NYC lol
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Really?? Where are you located?
Not in NYC but within 10 miles.
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Not true..... Docking station.

Future smartphones/tablet/laptops will be powerful enough for most everyday work. They will be able to plugged into (or remote desktop) from a thin desktop.

Conversely, I see future enthusiasts/professionals doing the opposite. They will have a desktop/server and use their smartphones/tablet/laptops to remote into it. Microsoft RemoteFX is going to get more interesting.
Well that would be true for banks that serve their clients round the clock and ueach employee get their own computer but share the desk (5 years since i saw it).



Docking station has been around for ages, back in the early 90's compaq sold tiny 13 inch laptops without a 3,5 drive. The computer itself managed most task the company wanted it to do and with the docking station you could hook ut up to a screen and a keyboard.
Those things are still around today but most companies don't use them and the reason behind that is very simple: They don't need the mobility. Banks, Insurance companies hell pretty much any company that isn't creative has no need for mobile employees. Giving them a mobile device makes no sense.

I can accept nettops as a possible future for computers, I can accept tiny cellphone sized computers i see the point in using thin clients but dockings stations for smartphones and tablets? no way. Sure some will use them but the was majority won't
 
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nobody wants a mac workstation. that is about as far from cost effective as a company can go.

people arent that stupid. im sure most workstations are custom built.
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Well that would be true for banks that serve their clients round the clock and ueach employee get their own computer but share the desk (5 years since i saw it).



Docking station has been around for ages, back in the early 90's compaq sold tiny 13 inch laptops without a 3,5 drive. The computer itself managed most task the company wanted it to do and with the docking station you could hook ut up to a screen and a keyboard.
Those things are still around today but most companies don't use them and the reason behind that is very simple: They don't need the mobility. Banks, Insurance companies hell pretty much any company that isn't creative has no need for mobile employees. Giving them a mobile device makes no sense.
I was talking about computing in general for consumers.

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I can accept nettops as a possible future for computers, I can accept tiny cellphone sized computers i see the point in using thin clients but dockings stations for smartphones and tablets? no way. Sure some will use them but the was majority won't
You do realize that docking stations for smartphones and tablets already exist?

Asus Transformer
Asus Transformer Prime
Motorola ATRIX
Asus proto-type Padphone

As ARM becomes more powerful, you will see more of these implementations. If a palm-sized device was capable of providing you will all the processing power needed and you had access to remote disk, why would you need another computer? Wouldn't it just be easier to attach your device to a bigger screen and keyboard?


On the flipside, even Intel noted that docking stations may become more commonplace. Ivy Bridge has an adjustable TDP and one use would be laptops that plug into a docking station to provide more cooling and power.



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nobody wants a mac workstation. that is about as far from cost effective as a company can go.

people arent that stupid. im sure most workstations are custom built.
You don't know much about workstations or how cost effectiveness is calculated then.
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