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Looking at the log:

Both the CreateFile and SetSecurityFile operations are privacy breaching actions as they tamper with the files. There is NO need to open a file with Create flags, nor should it change file access attributes.

There is NO reason for Origin to use those specific set of API calls on files it has no business with in the first place.

For a 'Walk', only QueryDirectory should be sufficient to find out about filenames in a folder.

EA has a hand of forcing stupid bloat/spyware on PC which started with Dragon Age 1 already: The updater for the game was a g.d. Windows Service instance which is ridiculous as updating/patching can be done from just a shell launcher as about every other game does it. But no. EA has to move that to a Windows Service instead with alleviated privileges.

At that time I stopped buying EA titles. and with Origin, EA is off my radar.

Those companies try to control more and more of your system. As if selling you a game isn't enough.
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The point I was trying to highlight was you are not forced to take part in software checks on Steam, if you want to play games on it.

Also if you used process monitor on Steam, you would see that Steam 'walks' through barely anything.

Steam doing what its supposed to do (considering I opted in on hardware survey as well)



now...

Origin doing what its supposed to do, plus a quick gander at a handful of other files that should be irrelevant to it..

Let me get this straight.

Someone says, "Steam checks Software data too when you do their survey".

You say, "Origin looks at a lot more than that".

So I ask you specifically what OTHER files Origin looks at apart from the software data...........and all you show me is a screenshot of Origin looking at software data.


??????????????????


Like I said at the beginning of this thread, this needs to be sorted out by people who KNOW what they are talking about because the amount of pure nonsense being spread by people who WISH they knew what they were talking about is just too much.

This then gets other people talking about stuff they have no idea about and then we get huge dramas happening.

I'm all for people wanting to disagree with something, but when it is done in such a sensationalist and mob like manner with lust for conflict/pitchforks/unrelated motives driving many people instead of common sense and actual knowledge of what they are even disagreeing with, it brings down the integrity of the whole movement.
Edited by GrizzleBoy - 11/2/11 at 4:32am
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Let me get this straight.

Someone says, "Steam checks Software data too when you do their survey".

You say, "Origin looks at a lot more than that".

So I ask you specifically what OTHER files Origin looks at apart from the software data...........and all you show me is a screenshot of Origin looking at software data.


??????????????????


Like I said at the beginning of this thread, this needs to be sorted out by people who KNOW what they are talking about because the amount of pure nonsense being spread by people who WISH they knew what they were talking about is just too much.

This then gets other people talking about stuff they have no idea about and then we get huge dramas happening.

I'm all for people wanting to disagree with something, but when it is done in such a sensationalist and mob like manner with lust for conflict/pitchforks/unrelated motives driving many people instead of common sense and actual knowledge of what they are even disagreeing with, it brings down the integrity of the whole movement.
You do realize that Origin is scanning picture files in Skype for no good reason in that screenshot right? Why is it okay for Origin to sift through your personal documents?

Neither Steam nor Microsoft does that.
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You do realize that Origin is scanning picture files in Skype for no good reason in that screenshot right? Why is it okay for Origin to sift through your personal documents?

Neither Steam nor Microsoft does that.
Got any proof to show where Steam actually looks during its software data gathering?

Origin looks at program data files to determine software info.

If you have a program that has a folder called "pictures" in it, it doesn't mean they're looking for your pictures (especially when that picture file seems to just be full of placeholder pics for the actual program and not pictures of anyone) it means that there is a folder called pictures in a place that you already know that Origin looks in, which is your program data folder, to look for program data that you already know and agree to it looking at.

I wonder if you could even tell me what is going on in the pic in any specific detail without guessing.

Highly doubt it.

I'd like to hear about this from people who KNOW what is going on in these pics or we'll just keep going round in circles.
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Got any proof to show where Steam actually looks during its software data gathering?

Origin looks at program data files to determine software info.

If you have a program that has a folder called "pictures" in it, it doesn't mean they're looking for your pictures (especially when that picture file seems to just be full of placeholder pics for the actual program and not pictures of anyone) it means that there is a folder called pictures in a place that you already know that Origin looks in, which is your program data folder, to look for program data that you already know and agree to it looking at.

I wonder if you could even tell me what is going on in the pic in any specific detail without guessing.

Highly doubt it.

I'd like to hear about this from people who KNOW what is going on in these pics or we'll just keep going round in circles.
Notice how the Origin.exe is "CreateFile", "WriteFile", and "SetSecurityFile"? That is Origin making changes to a directory it is not supposed to be in. That is not necessary.

Notice how the Steam.exe is only using "CreateFile" within its own directory?
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Notice how the Origin.exe is "CreateFile", "WriteFile", and "SetSecurityFile"? That is Origin making changes to a directory it is not supposed to be in. That is not necessary.

Notice how the Steam.exe is only using "CreateFile" within its own directory?
I asked if you had any proof to show where Steam looks or what it does while its doing its software search.

A pic of Steam not doing a software search isn't proof of that.

Also, you haven't really described anything that I haven't already seen in the pictures. Showing me a picture of an engine and saying "this is an engine" isn't what I'm asking you.

Can you tell me EXACTLY what is happening inside that engine?

For instance, to me, it seems that "create file" is a command it uses to simply open a folder, not to actually create a folder, in the same way that when steam.ex uses the "create file" on its folder, it's probably not actually creating that folder every time you see it come up.

After all, you dont create a folde out of nowhere....and then look inside it for stuff.

As I said, I want to know what is actually happening from people who actually know.

All this guess work is pointless.

I'd like to know the full truth.
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Typical of EA.. How else would they respond? They can't admit that it is.. or people would hate Origin more..
Exactly.

Also remember that no publicity is bad publicity. As long as people are talking about it, EA get more money.
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Exactly.

Also remember that no publicity is bad publicity. As long as people are talking about it, EA get more money.
Indeed.

No such thing as bad press etc.

"What's this? EA? Who?"

"What's this? Hmm....The Sims, Mass Effect, Battlefield, A STAR WARS GAME!?!?!?..FIFA!!!!"


The common person/computer user downloads so much malware/trash in a day that I hardly think something like this would make them blink unless the worldwide media truly jumps all over it.
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Notice how the Origin.exe is "CreateFile", "WriteFile", and "SetSecurityFile"? That is Origin making changes to a directory it is not supposed to be in. That is not necessary.

Notice how the Steam.exe is only using "CreateFile" within its own directory?
Origin cannot change security on a file unless running as an administrator on Windows 7, which requires elevation. I'm willing to bet SetSecurity is not what first comes to mind, however I haven't researched that. You'll also notice that on the right "Desired Access" shows up, that is followed by a "Read" which means files are not being edited.

In fact, it says this exactly: "Desired Access: Read Data/List Directory, Synchronize, Disposition: Open, Options: Directory, Synchronous IO Non-Alert, Attributes: n/a, ShareMode: Read, Write, Delete, AllocationSize: n/a, OpenResult: Opened"

CreateFile is creating the file in memory to process.
I don't see WriteFile anywhere, but that can be as simple as changing the "last accessed" time stamp.

Research the tools being used.

Here is the link to Process Monitor:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...rnals/bb896645

Run it yourself. You will find that Origin is not nearly as malicious as it is being made out to be. In fact, I'm not sure how the previous pictures of Steam's access was so short, both programs absolutely filled the screen when I opened them.

You'll also notice that the program after it's first search for games is only in Origin, AppData/Origin, and Webcache folders.

I realize that it is human nature to be suspicious, and that our brains are wired so that someone arguing against your point won't change your views easily (that way someone can't convince you that bear != death), but take a step back, a deep breath, and do your own research.
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