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Origin cannot change security on a file unless running as an administrator on Windows 7, which requires elevation. I'm willing to bet SetSecurity is not what first comes to mind, however I haven't researched that. You'll also notice that on the right "Desired Access" shows up, that is followed by a "Read" which means files are not being edited.

In fact, it says this exactly: "Desired Access: Read Data/List Directory, Synchronize, Disposition: Open, Options: Directory, Synchronous IO Non-Alert, Attributes: n/a, ShareMode: Read, Write, Delete, AllocationSize: n/a, OpenResult: Opened"

CreateFile is creating the file in memory to process.
I don't see WriteFile anywhere, but that can be as simple as changing the "last accessed" time stamp.

Research the tools being used.

Here is the link to Process Monitor:
http://technet.microsoft.com/en-us/s...rnals/bb896645

Run it yourself. You will find that Origin is not nearly as malicious as it is being made out to be. In fact, I'm not sure how the previous pictures of Steam's access was so short, both programs absolutely filled the screen when I opened them.

You'll also notice that the program after it's first search for games is only in Origin, AppData/Origin, and Webcache folders.

I realize that it is human nature to be suspicious, and that our brains are wired so that someone arguing against your point won't change your views easily (that way someone can't convince you that bear != death), but take a step back, a deep breath, and do your own research.
Even if everything you said is 100% correct, it still does nothing to account for WHY Origin is opening/reading those files in the first place. So you haven't even addressed the reason why we're suspicious in the first place yet you expect people to cast their suspicion aside? I'm good.
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Even if everything you said is 100% correct, it still does nothing to account for WHY Origin is opening/reading those files in the first place. So you haven't even addressed the reason why we're suspicious in the first place yet you expect people to cast their suspicion aside? I'm good.
It's already been stated a few times as to why; on first load it searches your computer for EA games. This is why it will pick up Mass Effect 2 from your Steam installs or Command & Conquer 3 from the CD install. AppData is a key location for game saves as well as program settings.

Everyone organizes their computer differently, it's very hard to know where these games are installed without actually walking the drive.

Also, if you watch the data usage from Origin over network, you'll notice that there is no way it's sending significant data. Compare file sizes it's opening to data transmitted, not only do they not line up in timing, but the network usage is way below file sizes.
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I still dont understand the apologizing for a gigantic company which needs no extra defense from the people that let it do whatever it wants to them. Origin stretches the bounds of what it looks at for what reason? To better serve us?
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Here is what i don't get. Say origin actually searches more of your computer because they just a different searching method, I don't understand the big deal when EA's privacy policy clearly dictates how they use that information and none of your personal information is given out in any way that steam doesn't. So maybe Origin sees more but its not using it anywhere.

Your bank keeps all sorts of personal information as well as spending habits and deep financial records. Yet we all trust them with our information. Both EA and Valve have very similar privacy policies. EA only gives out non identifying personal information to third parties performing a service for EA, Steam does the same thing. They are even stricter when it comes to giving out Personally Identifiable information.

I'm not going to touch on the scanning process but I don't see a huge issue if Origin sees more if its not doing anything wrong with what it sees.
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I just installed origin just then and monitored it for awhile. Really odd, when I started it up it scanned through ALOT of stuff, including all my games, movies and pictures....still I really don't think they would actually do anything with this information OR it actually doesn't record it while searching through.
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Apologist army is on the march.
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that means its still a half port...or they are probably completely lying about it and its main focus was probably on consoles from the start...
can anyone tell me how simultaneous half console code and half pc code would work?
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I just installed origin just then and monitored it for awhile. Really odd, when I started it up it scanned through ALOT of stuff, including all my games, movies and pictures....still I really don't think they would actually do anything with this information OR it actually doesn't record it while searching through.
I don't think Origin should be searching through your stuff like that. There are more direct and less roundabout methods of finding your installed EA games.
Edited by Riou - 11/3/11 at 11:15am
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typical ea somehow im not surprised
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