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It's already been stated a few times as to why; on first load it searches your computer for EA games. This is why it will pick up Mass Effect 2 from your Steam installs or Command & Conquer 3 from the CD install. AppData is a key location for game saves as well as program settings.

Everyone organizes their computer differently, it's very hard to know where these games are installed without actually walking the drive.

Also, if you watch the data usage from Origin over network, you'll notice that there is no way it's sending significant data. Compare file sizes it's opening to data transmitted, not only do they not line up in timing, but the network usage is way below file sizes.
That reasoning has already been debunked. Why bother to state it again? Why does it need to access tax files or .png files if its looking for games that obviously are .exe? Occams razor. The simple answer is its using that search for games as a cover to search your HD.
    
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Here is what i don't get. Say origin actually searches more of your computer because they just a different searching method, I don't understand the big deal when EA's privacy policy clearly dictates how they use that information and none of your personal information is given out in any way that steam doesn't. So maybe Origin sees more but its not using it anywhere.
Why do people keep repeating the idea that this service is the same as steam? Steam doesn't sell your personal info to advertisers. PERIOD.

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Your bank keeps all sorts of personal information as well as spending habits and deep financial records. Yet we all trust them with our information. Both EA and Valve have very similar privacy policies. EA only gives out non identifying personal information to third parties performing a service for EA, Steam does the same thing. They are even stricter when it comes to giving out Personally Identifiable information.
Lol dood no one trusts banks. What are you talking about!? They have very specific and detailed laws BECAUSE no one trusts them!
    
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that means its still a half port...or they are probably completely lying about it and its main focus was probably on consoles from the start...
That's not how video games work.
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That reasoning has already been debunked. Why bother to state it again? Why does it need to access tax files or .png files if its looking for games that obviously are .exe? Occams razor. The simple answer is its using that search for games as a cover to search your HD.
Nothing has been solidly "debunked," people have come up with reasons as to why that might not be the case, but no one knows for sure. As stated in one of the posts that got deleted, using the registry would be a much more efficient way of doing things. But who knows, perhaps it was simply poor programming.

I'm having a hard time figuring out how it's collecting data, if it is. I've watched the process monitor for a while, and I can't seem to find a correlation between any file it writes to or data sent over the network and the files it's scanning through. None of the Origin files seem to grow, unless I'm downloading a game. But even then that's just the game files that show up, Origin seems to stay the same size.

I'm actually in a position where I don't feel that any of the reports on the internet are as concrete as they make them seem. I think the fact that most people are up in arms about the requirement of Origin to run BF3 kind of turned this into a "witch hunt" of sorts. The EULA of Origin isn't all that different from any other online service, yet it got a lot of attention after it was announced that it was a requirement.

A mass reaction to something like this has always made me hesitant, too much misinformation runs rampant, and no one seems to test for themselves or do any research.

I probably won't take a definitive stance on this until I have conclusive evidence either way that mass personal information is actually being reported back to EA. Source code will probably have to be analyzed by a third party before that happens, but that may actually happen if these people in Germany get together and sue.

There simply is too much conflicting information either way to make a definitive decision. However, as I said before, encrypt anything you feel might contain valuable information, just in case. It's good practice anyway, there are some very sneaky viruses out there.
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Nothing has been solidly "debunked," people have come up with reasons as to why that might not be the case, but no one knows for sure. As stated in one of the posts that got deleted, using the registry would be a much more efficient way of doing things. But who knows, perhaps it was simply poor programming.
Don't you get it? "Reasons as to why that might not be the case" is enough for some people to get upset. EA is about as ethical as Activision, I don't trust them. Some people don't need solid, obvious proof that EA has already taken private info and sold it. Some people see Origin's potential to do that, and think it's gone too far. It's not right or wrong, it's how much do you trust EA. I for one won't download Origin onto my computer until I know that it's not sketchy.
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Don't you get it? "Reasons as to why that might not be the case" is enough for some people to get upset. EA is about as ethical as Activision, I don't trust them. Some people don't need solid, obvious proof that EA has already taken private info and sold it. Some people see Origin's potential to do that, and think it's gone too far. It's not right or wrong, it's how much do you trust EA. I for one won't download Origin onto my computer until I know that it's not sketchy.
Then go ahead, be upset and don't install Origin! But be upset because you did your research, don't just be upset because of what someone else said. I find it very interesting how many people will actively attack something without any first hand experience.
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Then go ahead, be upset and don't install Origin! But be upset because you did your research, don't just be upset because of what someone else said. I find it very interesting how many people will actively attack something without any first hand experience.
There are at least 3 forum members who have posted up multiple screenshots. Reputable forum members. While I could attempt to duplicate their situation, the fact that they did it was good enough for me.

I mean, what is this whole forum but a sharing of wisdom and knowledge?! It's great to live life by the Assassin's Creed code where you believe nothing, but in real life you don't have the time to do that. This is why people read multiple reviews from multiple sources about everything from games to cars to homes. People don't have the time to test everything firsthand.

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Nothing has been solidly "debunked," people have come up with reasons as to why that might not be the case, but no one knows for sure. As stated in one of the posts that got deleted, using the registry would be a much more efficient way of doing things. But who knows, perhaps it was simply poor programming.
Really? EA, like #2 corp in the world, suddenly forgets how to use the registry?! Occam's razor dood. You're grasping at straws.

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I'm having a hard time figuring out how it's collecting data, if it is. I've watched the process monitor for a while, and I can't seem to find a correlation between any file it writes to or data sent over the network and the files it's scanning through. None of the Origin files seem to grow, unless I'm downloading a game. But even then that's just the game files that show up, Origin seems to stay the same size.
The fact that it's DOING all that is cause for worry in itself. Who cares if you can definitively catch it in the act or not. If it looks like a duck, walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, chances are it's a duck.

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I'm actually in a position where I don't feel that any of the reports on the internet are as concrete as they make them seem. I think the fact that most people are up in arms about the requirement of Origin to run BF3 kind of turned this into a "witch hunt" of sorts. The EULA of Origin isn't all that different from any other online service, yet it got a lot of attention after it was announced that it was a requirement.
I'm not pulling just from random reports on the internet, I'm pulling from fellow OCN members.

And it's been shown to you many many many times how Origin is different from the other online services. Repeating yourself doesn't make it true

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A mass reaction to something like this has always made me hesitant, too much misinformation runs rampant, and no one seems to test for themselves or do any research.
We have forum members that did test for themselves and reported the findings to the rest of OCN. You seem to keep writing them off to make your case more appealing.

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I probably won't take a definitive stance on this until I have conclusive evidence either way that mass personal information is actually being reported back to EA. Source code will probably have to be analyzed by a third party before that happens, but that may actually happen if these people in Germany get together and sue.

There simply is too much conflicting information either way to make a definitive decision. However, as I said before, encrypt anything you feel might contain valuable information, just in case. It's good practice anyway, there are some very sneaky viruses out there.
You had a stance since the moment you started talking about. You're defending EA. It's quite obvious.
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EA is the devil and want to own your soul. I signed my away BF3 is fun.
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Funk, I really don't care to argue with you. We get it, you think Origin is spyware. I quite frankly don't feel like being forced to take a side as I've made it quite obvious my mind is not made up on the matter.

I simply am stating I do not think it is as black-and-white as people are making it.
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EA is the devil and want to own your soul. I signed my away BF3 is fun.
I'm not convinced, but i admit if they stick to their guns and Origin is required for Mass Effect 3, i'll have a really tough time sticking it out.

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Funk, I really don't care to argue with you. We get it, you think Origin is spyware. I quite frankly don't feel like being forced to take a side as I've made it quite obvious my mind is not made up on the matter.

I simply am stating I do not think it is as black-and-white as people are making it.
Your words don't match your actions but ok.
    
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