Overclock.net › Forums › Software, Programming and Coding › Networking & Security › Recieved survey from my school about CCNA program
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:

Recieved survey from my school about CCNA program - Page 2

post #11 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by scottsee View Post
Uhhh, No.

CCNA is a thorough exam, unique to the cascading concatenation of mellowing draws of suppressive, incisive billowing of today's industry exams.

The onclave of 642 exams draws progressively more challenging at the same time technicality deepens your knowledge for the given subject matter.

The CCNA is just the light at the beginning of Alices wonderment before she reaches the darkness with a insatiable desire for what lies ahead.
Cool, stand corrected.. looking forward to the challenge and deepen my knowledge.

So the workload is harder that i understand, i just heard on the Cisco grapevine that once you have done one Cisco exam the others arent so frightening..
Edited by stubass - 11/2/11 at 9:01pm
Going to be chaep
(16 items)
 
Wife's Rig
(12 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-3770k Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP5 TH MSI GTX460 G.Skill TridentX 2400 2 x 4GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Plextor M5p 128GB 2 x WD 500GB Blues LG Prolimatech Megahalems Rev C 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Arctic F12 CO PWM x 2 Push/Pull Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate LG IPS235V Corsair AX850 
Case
Coolermaster HAF 912 advanced (Asia version) 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5-3570K Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3 Inno3D Ichill GTX660 8GB G.Skill RipjawsX 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 830 128GB WD black 500GB Liteon Coolermaster Hyper 212+ EVO 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Win 7 ultimate Samsung Syncmaster 932gwe+ OCZ ZT series 550W Coolermaster 410 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
1.67Ghz Atom stock 1GB DDR2 2 x 500GB Western Digital Cavier Blacks [RAID 1] 
CoolingOSPowerCase
stock DSM3.2 [built on linux] stock stock 
OtherOther
Synology DX510 Expansion unit 5 x 1TB WD Cavier Blacks in a RAID 6 
  hide details  
Reply
Going to be chaep
(16 items)
 
Wife's Rig
(12 items)
 
 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-3770k Gigabyte GA-Z77X-UP5 TH MSI GTX460 G.Skill TridentX 2400 2 x 4GB 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Plextor M5p 128GB 2 x WD 500GB Blues LG Prolimatech Megahalems Rev C 
CoolingOSMonitorPower
Arctic F12 CO PWM x 2 Push/Pull Windows 7 64 bit Ultimate LG IPS235V Corsair AX850 
Case
Coolermaster HAF 912 advanced (Asia version) 
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
I5-3570K Gigabyte Z68X-UD3H-B3 Inno3D Ichill GTX660 8GB G.Skill RipjawsX 1600 
Hard DriveHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
Samsung 830 128GB WD black 500GB Liteon Coolermaster Hyper 212+ EVO 
OSMonitorPowerCase
Win 7 ultimate Samsung Syncmaster 932gwe+ OCZ ZT series 550W Coolermaster 410 
CPUMotherboardRAMHard Drive
1.67Ghz Atom stock 1GB DDR2 2 x 500GB Western Digital Cavier Blacks [RAID 1] 
CoolingOSPowerCase
stock DSM3.2 [built on linux] stock stock 
OtherOther
Synology DX510 Expansion unit 5 x 1TB WD Cavier Blacks in a RAID 6 
  hide details  
Reply
post #12 of 23
Took this in high school I thought the program was good but my teacher was severely bad at teaching. It seemed he knew nothing of the curriculum :/

I wonder if my login still works lol
post #13 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by stubass View Post
So the workload is harder that i understand, i just heard on the Cisco grapevine that once you have done one Cisco exam the others arent so frightening..
Everyone reacts different. I always get nervous..
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Cisco Cisco Cisco Cisco 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Cisco Cisco Cisco Cisco 
  hide details  
Reply
post #14 of 23
Thread Starter 
I am into those chapters in the 3rd quarter that get into VLANs and trunking and then that "router-on-a-stick concept. I am finding these concepts OK at the theory of operation level but quiz questions can be phrased in such a way that they appear hard.One thing I have learned is before you throw in the towel,read the question and examine the exibit,they can throw so obvious ones out there also.
WC Rig
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-930@4.05GHz ASUS P6X58D-Preminum XFX GeForce 275 896mb 6GB Corsair TR3X6G1600C8D 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 150gb Raptor LightScan Win 7 64-bit Acer 22" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
G15 Corsair HX620W Antec 1200 several various 
Mouse Pad
none 
  hide details  
Reply
WC Rig
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-930@4.05GHz ASUS P6X58D-Preminum XFX GeForce 275 896mb 6GB Corsair TR3X6G1600C8D 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 150gb Raptor LightScan Win 7 64-bit Acer 22" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
G15 Corsair HX620W Antec 1200 several various 
Mouse Pad
none 
  hide details  
Reply
post #15 of 23
It has been hinted at through some of this thread, some other posts in this thread I would completely disagree with.

There is a reason the CCNA is the tip of the iceberg, the purpose of this exam is to teach you the fundamentals of networking and give you the first glimpse of Cisco's way of networking. Yes I mean Cisco's way due to the proprietary protocols that will only work with Cisco devices.

Yes most people that complete their CCNA will move on towards the CCNP which goes into greater depth on the fundamentals, however I have known some that chose a different path after completing the CCNA.

In all reality everything is all paper until you reach the CCIE level, many of people have tried to cheat their way through the lab exam and have failed miserably.

If someone is truly pursuing the network path, the CCNA is critical to know and understand. The CCNP critical to known and understand to attempt the CCIE R&S, same as people should understand 100% of the CCIP before trying to even thinking about going after the CCIE SP.



As for the statement that people complain the CCNA is too difficult. This is literally a sob statement. It only gets harder from here. The school if anything is probably trying to get some sort of feedback to increase their profit margin, example of what I am saying here. If they find that 40% of their students fail the exam, they have a problem with the teaching or giving their students false indications of their proficiency. Which will eventually lead to less and less students registering for their classes, via the rumor mil of another worthless class/school. If you found value or things that were not as important you should list them.

As for the getting a job and money part of things. Just because you have earned your CCNA, wont get you a job. If you do get a job right after completing the CCNA it will more than likely be an entry level job, as all you have learned is the fore-mentioned Cisco fundamentals. That being said pay wise and this greatly depends on the geographical area you live in. A CCNA should get you approx. $50k/year. A CCNA with 1-3 years of experience should get you approx $65-70k/year. A CCNP should get you about $65-70k/year, with 1-3 years of experience, I would estimate $80-85k/year. Now having a CCNP/w 10+years or a CCIP/w 5+years I would estimate $95-$110k/year. CCIE's on the other hand as 95% of all the CCIE's I know personally should net you on aver $190-250k/year (for R&S), Service Provider is an entirely different animal, it should land you $400k+/year
If you have completely read and followed this reply, you may also find this of interest. http://www.ccieagent.com/6485.html
The Raven
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7-2600K Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD5-B3 EVGA GTX 570 SC EVGA GTX 570 SC 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X 1866 Samsung 840 Pro  iHAS324 - Lite-On DVD-RW Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 ASUS VN248 ASUS VN248 Logitech G510 
PowerCaseMouse
XFX 850W BE SILVERSTONE RV02B-EW Logitech MX518 
  hide details  
Reply
The Raven
(16 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsGraphics
i7-2600K Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD5-B3 EVGA GTX 570 SC EVGA GTX 570 SC 
RAMHard DriveOptical DriveCooling
16GB G.SKILL Ripjaws X 1866 Samsung 840 Pro  iHAS324 - Lite-On DVD-RW Noctua NH-D14 
OSMonitorMonitorKeyboard
Windows 10 ASUS VN248 ASUS VN248 Logitech G510 
PowerCaseMouse
XFX 850W BE SILVERSTONE RV02B-EW Logitech MX518 
  hide details  
Reply
post #16 of 23
Thread Starter 
I know it is very unlikely that I will ever pass even the CCNA or get employed at a place where I could use even the level of knowledge the CCNA represents,mainly it is because I am to old. Even though I sometimes want to pull hair out when I simply cannot grasp what is trying to be related these classes are of great interest. I should concentrate more on what people do at home, even those type of activites will go better with a firm grasp on these fundementals.
WC Rig
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-930@4.05GHz ASUS P6X58D-Preminum XFX GeForce 275 896mb 6GB Corsair TR3X6G1600C8D 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 150gb Raptor LightScan Win 7 64-bit Acer 22" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
G15 Corsair HX620W Antec 1200 several various 
Mouse Pad
none 
  hide details  
Reply
WC Rig
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-930@4.05GHz ASUS P6X58D-Preminum XFX GeForce 275 896mb 6GB Corsair TR3X6G1600C8D 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 150gb Raptor LightScan Win 7 64-bit Acer 22" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
G15 Corsair HX620W Antec 1200 several various 
Mouse Pad
none 
  hide details  
Reply
post #17 of 23
I also disagree on several of the statements above. I along with most of the rest of our network engineers at work would never want to take the CCNA over again. I find the CCNA to be much harder than the CCNP tests. There are also several CCIE trainers out there that say the same thing. My problem with the CCNA is there is so much memorization, and the pool of topics is so large.
1090T
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
1090T GA-890FXA-UD5 HIS 4670 G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (1600) 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
WD Black (Raid 0) Win 7 Home Premium x64 CORSAIR 850W COOLER MASTER Storm Sniper 
  hide details  
Reply
1090T
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
1090T GA-890FXA-UD5 HIS 4670 G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (1600) 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
WD Black (Raid 0) Win 7 Home Premium x64 CORSAIR 850W COOLER MASTER Storm Sniper 
  hide details  
Reply
post #18 of 23
Thread Starter 
Let me know just what is is you disagree with,it cannot be you think I can pass as you do not know my life.
WC Rig
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-930@4.05GHz ASUS P6X58D-Preminum XFX GeForce 275 896mb 6GB Corsair TR3X6G1600C8D 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 150gb Raptor LightScan Win 7 64-bit Acer 22" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
G15 Corsair HX620W Antec 1200 several various 
Mouse Pad
none 
  hide details  
Reply
WC Rig
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
i7-930@4.05GHz ASUS P6X58D-Preminum XFX GeForce 275 896mb 6GB Corsair TR3X6G1600C8D 
Hard DriveOptical DriveOSMonitor
WD 150gb Raptor LightScan Win 7 64-bit Acer 22" 
KeyboardPowerCaseMouse
G15 Corsair HX620W Antec 1200 several various 
Mouse Pad
none 
  hide details  
Reply
post #19 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thorn-Blade View Post
I find the CCNA to be much harder than the CCNP tests.
Go take ROUTE then come back and say that.
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Cisco Cisco Cisco Cisco 
  hide details  
Reply
My System
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
Cisco Cisco Cisco Cisco 
  hide details  
Reply
post #20 of 23
Quote:
Originally Posted by PCCstudent View Post
Let me know just what is is you disagree with,it cannot be you think I can pass as you do not know my life.
I disagree with the test not being harder than a NP test.

I took BCMSN, ISCW, ONT, and BSCI. Granted I have not taken the new Route test, but I can't see it being that much harder than the previous test. They have actually removed a bunch of stuff in the new testing track.

I actually helped one of the guys at work with his SWITCH test, and the prep material was pretty much the same as the BCMSN. So were the test questions.

Here are some quotes from Wendell Odom.

http://www.ciscopress.com/articles/a....asp?p=1565088

Wendell Odom: The biggest difference is that the old had much broader topic coverage, while the new CCNP gives much more focus on skills, and probably more depth for each topic. Gone are the ISCW and ONT exams, which together included QoS, multicast, wireless, MPLS, and security. The ROUTE exam removes IS-IS and multicast as well.

WO: I'll buy that the new CCNP is deeper, but I'm not so sure I'd buy harder. The volume of topics in the old CCNP contributed to it being hard, and the depth of skills required for the new CCNP will be a big contributor for the level of difficulty.


And here is another page he talks about the difference:
http://www.networkworld.com/community/node/57315

The only way to make the statement one is harder than the other is if you have actually taken both.

Edit: Just woke up, and really didn't finish.

With the above being stated, I really don't think the new NP and old NP tests are that much different when it comes to difficulty. The problem I have with the CCNA test is the ton of facts that need to be memorized. If you are not good at memorization, this sucks. The NP tests allow you more hands on in your training. You can actually lab the NP topics, and do them over and over to help you learn them unlike most of the NA topics.

Don't get me wrong, if you study to actually learn the topics neither of them are easy.
Edited by Thorn-Blade - 11/5/11 at 5:54am
1090T
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
1090T GA-890FXA-UD5 HIS 4670 G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (1600) 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
WD Black (Raid 0) Win 7 Home Premium x64 CORSAIR 850W COOLER MASTER Storm Sniper 
  hide details  
Reply
1090T
(13 items)
 
  
CPUMotherboardGraphicsRAM
1090T GA-890FXA-UD5 HIS 4670 G.SKILL ECO Series 4GB (1600) 
Hard DriveOSPowerCase
WD Black (Raid 0) Win 7 Home Premium x64 CORSAIR 850W COOLER MASTER Storm Sniper 
  hide details  
Reply
New Posts  All Forums:Forum Nav:
  Return Home
  Back to Forum: Networking & Security
Overclock.net › Forums › Software, Programming and Coding › Networking & Security › Recieved survey from my school about CCNA program