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Hi there,

So basically I have been stumped on this decision for a while, and since it has come November (a great month for newegg shoppers) I figure I better decide soon.

Please take a look at my sig for my specs.

In case you aren't aware of the phantom. The only intake fans are 2 120mm on the side and theres 2 exhaust(1 120mm, 1 200mm) on the top and back of the case.

As you can see in this picture, the Hyper 212 seems extremely bulky and blocks the airflow coming from the bottom of the case:
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As opposed to a watercooler (I'm looking at the Kuhler 620 and the Corsair H60):
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Not only does the inside of the case look nicer, there is no bulky fan constricting airflow to the exhaust fans.

The only problem I've heard about these entry level water coolers, is they barely cool better than air coolers (such as the hyper 212). I am only going to do some mild overclocking, and I care about temperature and noise so I chose to avoid the stock fan.

Which should I go with? In this case would the Hyper 212 hurt the airflow like I think it would? It's practically blocking the 200mm fan. I don't care about a few degrees difference in temperature, they are both overkill for my needs, but I want to get them anyway just to add to the overall niceness of my case. But if the Hyper 212 is so bulky that it would in fact constrict the airflow, let me know, and I'll go with watercooling. Thanks guys!
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I have a couple of comments about your current setup and about the difference between entry level water coolers.

As it looks now, you don't have any serious restrictions to the airflow in the case. It may look like the 212 blocks the upper 200mm fan, but actually it's not the case because 212's fins are parallel to the airflow generated by that fan. The same can be said about the back 120fan, its airflow is also parallel to 212's fins. As such this setup is as good as it gets (close to ideal) as you have 212's fan and the 120+200 fans that create airflow thru the heatsink's fins. For this reason adding a watercooler will have the least benefits - a water setup is best when the airflow for the aircooler is at its worst, which is certainly not your case.
You don't have airflow in the lower part of the case for a different reason - the side fans. They aren't on the pic so I'm riffing a bit, but it may be side-fan's CFM is similar to the output of the upper 120+200mm fans. If it is so then you have a sort of wind-tunnel effect that channels air from the side intake and up towards the exhaust - it doesn't pass on the lower side of the case. You have a fan placeholder on the bottom case between the front pannel and the PSU - use it to place an intake fan facing up and you'll have airflow below. Adding a water-cooler won't create airflow below, it will still cancel out with the side fans (one reason why I don't like side fans at all, that and the added noise). Side fans are best if placed as low as possible, preferably on the bottom like in the Silverstone FT02.

That said, the 212 isn't the best aircooler, and entry water is about as good as high end air - you have a margin there; adding a Thermalright Archon might be just as good while more durable and less cumbersome.

The last thing is the second pic w/ the Kuhler installed - it creates airflow below due to the negative pressure setup - there are 3 exhaust fans on the upper case - air is forced inside to equal the pressure and the most likely place for it to enter is thru the 2 intake side fans, but you're still a fan short - that CFM is forced inside thru the bottom holes bellow the HDD cages so in a sense it's like you'd have an intake fan placed there - the 120mm transversal fan is only used to orient the airflow, not to "create" any.

Ooops, got carried away. It's an interesting setup and I would be curious what are your thoughts on this (far too long) post.
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Mind you those aren't my pics, I haven't gotten the case yet.

Here's a pic of the side fans:
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It's the 2 120mm to the right, it doesn't come with a 200mm fan in that slot, and even if I installed it, it would block the Hyper 212.

I think as long as the hyper 212 doesn't block airflow, I should be good. Should I point the exhaust of the hyper 212 to the rear 120mm fan or up to the 200mm fan?

Thank you smile.gif
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The PSU will be pulling air from the bottom and push it out the back. This makes it an almost isolated flow and this is good.

The 212 will take the air coming in the front and bottom front and push it out the top and top back. This provides a great cross flow over all the heat generating parts and their fins. That looks like an ideal air set up. With that exact set up you probably only need 1 fan on the 212 also, no need for a push pull. The 2 case fans will do the work.

You will need to make sure that combined the back and top fans pull more air then the fans on the 212 but that should not be hard.

I do not recommend all in one water units for you. They do best when space is an issue and you have a lot of space. The 212+ is a great cooler for the price and what I heard of the Rev II it should be just a bit better.

Post pictures please when you get it.


Adding: IF you don't have a top fan then you need to make sure you have a good fan on the back of the case. 1 stock fan may not be enough. A top fan may not be needed but a slow quiet fan there pushing out might help.

As for the door fans, that will depend on if you want to over pressure or under pressure the case. But if you put all 3 that you can you be sure to slow them down a bit.
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Originally Posted by Kip69;15541135 
The PSU will be pulling air from the bottom and push it out the back. This makes it an almost isolated flow and this is good.

The 212 will take the air coming in the front and bottom front and push it out the top and top back. This provides a great cross flow over all the heat generating parts and their fins. That looks like an ideal air set up. With that exact set up you probably only need 1 fan on the 212 also, no need for a push pull. The 2 case fans will do the work.

You will need to make sure that combined the back and top fans pull more air then the fans on the 212 but that should not be hard.

I do not recommend all in one water units for you. They do best when space is an issue and you have a lot of space. The 212+ is a great cooler for the price and what I heard of the Rev II it should be just a bit better.

Post pictures please when you get it.


Adding: IF you don't have a top fan then you need to make sure you have a good fan on the back of the case. 1 stock fan may not be enough. A top fan may not be needed but a slow quiet fan there pushing out might help.

As for the door fans, that will depend on if you want to over pressure or under pressure the case. But if you put all 3 that you can you be sure to slow them down a bit.

Thanks for the advice smile.gif All my fans in this case will be on the highest settings. I got a 120mm rear fan and a 1 200mm fan as my exhaust, and 2 120mm fans as my intake. Should I add another fan then as my intake? The only other place I can fit it is in the front, but as you can see here some of the air will be blocked:
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Or is 2 120mm on high good enough? I'll probably point the hyper 212 fan up so all the hot air from the cpu/rest of the case is being pushed out like a tunnel directly into the 200mm fan.
Edited by apav - 11/2/11 at 3:41am
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Anyone know if I should get this front fan? Thanks
post #7 of 11
You need to give some people time bro smile.gif

There seem to be a lot of vents in that case. Do you have any fans on the left door? It looks like there is room for a 200mm and 2x 120mm there. But there is also a vent on the left door. Plenty of spaces for air cooling smile.gif

You have many options, you may need to experiment to see what works best. In order of what I think will work best:
If you could put a second big fan on the top... That would pull hot air out of the case very well.
You can put a fan on the front right of the door pushing air over the HDs and out the left vent.
Fans on the 2 bottom front grills will work well pulling air in.
The big hole on the side door can have a big fan to cool all the mobo.
I don't recommend a front fan in that slot unless you cut out some of that blocking metal.

Do you have any of the intakes with filters? If not you may as well under pressure the case and have more out fans than in.
 
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Thanks smile.gif

Yea, I got those side 120mm fans, but not the 200. Those are my only intakes. The only other place to put an intake is the front (but its blocking the fan.) The other side of the case behind the motherboard, theres a mesh area but no screws (I don't think) so it isn't meant to mount a fan back there. Well, this is the stock configuration for most people and I heard it keeps the case cool, but idk with 2 6970 crossfire in there tongue.gif I hope 2 120mm as intake is enough.

Oh, and its been confirmed the 200mm fan cannot fit with the hyper 212 in there, so I'm not sure I'll probably just leave that slot as is.
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Right on. I wonder about the 200mm side vent, will that let air out too much or let air in. I think you really want a lot of vent fans on the top and back.

And you want the 212 pointing back. If you point it up the air flow over the ram will be less, unless you do have the second top fan there as well. You will need to look at it once you get it all in there and just try in general to have cool air from the lower front moving up and back as much as you can.

One thing thought. Fans are not usually thought of as blocking air smile.gif the 212 will not block any air, it will pull it from the front and push it out the back. Even more so if you have 2 fans on it.
 
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Right on. I wonder about the 200mm side vent, will that let air out too much or let air in. I think you really want a lot of vent fans on the top and back.

And you want the 212 pointing back. If you point it up the air flow over the ram will be less, unless you do have the second top fan there as well. You will need to look at it once you get it all in there and just try in general to have cool air from the lower front moving up and back as much as you can.

One thing thought. Fans are not usually thought of as blocking air smile.gif the 212 will not block any air, it will pull it from the front and push it out the back. Even more so if you have 2 fans on it.

Pointing back? As in towards the rear fan? so air will flow from left to right on my motherboard?
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