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I personally haven't used Tiger, but I tried Snow Leopard and it was kind of fun. Lion looks nice. But yes, a Macbook Air can run Ubuntu. Pretty much anything can.
Good to hear. Even though it made my decision a bit harder.

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You basically picked the current market leaders in the Ultrabook category, at least in my opinion (Air and Zenbook). Another is the Samsung Series 9 but personally I don't like how bendy the screen is plus it has flip down ports like the first gen Air (I played with one in a Micro Center).
I more or less came down to those two yes. Linus from NCIX will be doing a (biased) comparison in the coming days so that should be good to see.

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The 13" Zenbook has a higher resolution screen (1600x900) than the 13" Air (1440x900). The Zenbook has a USB 3.0 port but the Air does not. A 13" Zenbook is around $200-$250 cheaper than a similar speced 13" Air. The downsides to the Zenbook are no backlit keyboard, and the touchpad and screen are not as good as on the Air. Asus is trying to constantly improve the touchpad driver as witnessed by the reviews but is not quite there yet (but that might have changed since launch).
Honestly the resolution isn't hugely important to me on a screen this size. My UL80VT is 14" at 1366x768 and I seem to be quite comfortable with it. I also had an Alienware M14x briefly which was 14" and 1600x900 and things were pretty tiny. But I guess having the option was nice. USB3 is not important to me. Transfer of files I do over my network if necessary. The only thing I would need USB for is maybe a mouse on occasion or my external ODD if I need it. The touch pad definitely does seem nicer on the Air and I liked the keyboards feel more.

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I personally own a 2010 11.6" Air and love it, I'd highly recommend them. I'm actually typing on it now. I do really like the Zenbook. My Air doesn't have a backlit keyboard and it's not a huge deal breaker for me but it would be nice to have (all 2011 Airs have backlit keyboards). You really can't go wrong either way as both are ultra thin, ultra light, and ultra beautiful aluminum unibody laptops.
I suppose at this point for me it is a toss up between OSX and Win7. I have copious amounts of Win7 machines. I recently installed Ubuntu on my UL80VT and have been having fun with it. It's different. OSX I suppose would be a nice change of scenery since I haven't used it since 2006. It's just getting harder and harder to give Apple money.
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Good to hear. Even though it made my decision a bit harder.



I more or less came down to those two yes. Linus from NCIX will be doing a (biased) comparison in the coming days so that should be good to see.



Honestly the resolution isn't hugely important to me on a screen this size. My UL80VT is 14" at 1366x768 and I seem to be quite comfortable with it. I also had an Alienware M14x briefly which was 14" and 1600x900 and things were pretty tiny. But I guess having the option was nice. USB3 is not important to me. Transfer of files I do over my network if necessary. The only thing I would need USB for is maybe a mouse on occasion or my external ODD if I need it. The touch pad definitely does seem nicer on the Air and I liked the keyboards feel more.



I suppose at this point for me it is a toss up between OSX and Win7. I have copious amounts of Win7 machines. I recently installed Ubuntu on my UL80VT and have been having fun with it. It's different. OSX I suppose would be a nice change of scenery since I haven't used it since 2006. It's just getting harder and harder to give Apple money.
Just my opinion, but I find OSX to be very restricting when compared to even Windows. I understand the power of terminal/etc, but the whole process of getting nearly anything done seems to just take longer. Hiding things to make it 'simpler' for the general public made it awkward for someone so used to Ubuntu (this coming from both myself, and my wife's perspective). She seems to like OSX now, but still would prefer Ubuntu over it.

I'd go for the Zenbook and put Ubuntu/Mint on it. Mint is relatively similar aesthetically to OSX imo, but if you want something done, it's very much so on the surface or just a basic terminal command away. Not to mention, the 'app store' () is free on Linux distros, which is nice.
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Just my opinion, but I find OSX to be very restricting when compared to even Windows. I understand the power of terminal/etc, but the whole process of getting nearly anything done seems to just take longer. Hiding things to make it 'simpler' for the general public made it awkward for someone so used to Ubuntu (this coming from both myself, and my wife's perspective). She seems to like OSX now, but still would prefer Ubuntu over it.

I'd go for the Zenbook and put Ubuntu/Mint on it. Mint is relatively similar aesthetically to OSX imo, but if you want something done, it's very much so on the surface or just a basic terminal command away. Not to mention, the 'app store' () is free on Linux distros, which is nice.
Honestly I am just looking for a bit of a change here. Be it OSX or Ubuntu. I have been using Ubuntu (only on my laptop) for a month or so now and I am starting to get into it.

And to be truthful it is almost more of an ethical thing for me now. In a perfect world I could buy a Macbook Air from generic manufacturer X and put Ubuntu on it. I am just so appalled by the attitude of Apple as a company lately, but on the other hand, they have the hardware that best caters to what I am looking for in a machine. So do I make a sacrifice and get the Zenbook which doesn't have as polished of a touch pad and keyboard (plus backlit keys) and avoid Apple? Or do I get over the fact that I encouraged Apple to keep doing what they are doing by paying for their product, and get the hardware that is what I am looking for.

Wow. I can't believe that this purchase has come down to ethics for me.
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http://shop.lenovo.com/SEUILibrary/c...11&action=init

Not quite 14" lol... But enough battery life to make macs cry, quality galore, incredibly light, and quite possibly one of the most durable laptops you can buy. At a pretty good price .

Oh and it's kind of preference... but I think thinkpads are dead sexy.

Also despite it's size the keyboard is still fullsize.

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This ThinkPad is Milspec tested (physical shock, thermal shock, altitude, dust, vibration, humidity, heat and cold) for proven durability.
Goodluck getting a macbook air or even zenbook to survive any of that


18+ hours with the slice battery.

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wPrime processor comparison results (lower scores mean better performance):


PCMark05 measures overall system performance (higher scores mean better performance):


PCMark Vantage measures overall system performance (higher scores mean better performance):


3DMark06 measures overall graphics performance for gaming (higher scores mean better performance):
source: http://www.notebookreview.com/defaul...+thinkpad+x220
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Make it about money and design criteria. Ethics, lol. If I hypothetically was spending $1300 on a 13" ultraportable, I wouldn't get something that's a verbatim clone with a different finish and higher resolution screen. Although one could argue the ethics of supporting companies that blatantly steal designs. Also consider that Ivy Bridge ultrabooks are going to roll out pretty close to day 1, while Apple usually waits out their refreshes. (Strong emphasis on IB ultrabooks.. this is the big jump, not SB.) Basically, you'll get a war of ultrabooks from everyone rolling out the newest, and Windows ultrabooks will depreciate quickly.

Also if you wanted to upgrade every year, upgrade cost would be less with a Macbook Air.

edit: Although, re: OS X vs. Windows 7, I much prefer Windows 7. First, All of the folders I use are accessible from the start menu. And, if you have extra folders to add, just make a Library for it. And the windows snapping, aero peek, ability to put like 25 programs to launch from the taskbar. And I use a decent amount of Windows-only software.
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Make it about money and design criteria. Ethics, lol. If I hypothetically was spending $1300 on a 13" ultraportable, I wouldn't get something that's a verbatim clone with a different finish and higher resolution screen. Although one could argue the ethics of supporting companies that blatantly steal designs. Also consider that Ivy Bridge ultrabooks are going to roll out pretty close to day 1, while Apple usually waits out their refreshes. (Strong emphasis on IB ultrabooks.. this is the big jump, not SB.) Basically, you'll get a war of ultrabooks from everyone rolling out the newest, and Windows ultrabooks will depreciate quickly.

Also if you wanted to upgrade every year, upgrade cost would be less with a Macbook Air.

edit: Although, re: OS X vs. Windows 7, I much prefer Windows 7. First, All of the folders I use are accessible from the start menu. And, if you have extra folders to add, just make a Library for it. And the windows snapping, aero peek, ability to put like 25 programs to launch from the taskbar. And I use a decent amount of Windows-only software.
I won't be upgrading every year. My current laptop is almost 3 years old or so. Again software is not so important. I have my desktop for anything intensive. I saw some videos on youtube of both the Zenbook i5 and the MBA running SC2. That's pretty impressive no matter how you put it IMO. Anybody have any experience running SC2 on the HD3000? Or maybe L4D?

Edit: I know I can access my Steam account on OSX, but can I play any game that is supported on OSX that I already own, or do I have to buy a Mac version or something?
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Edit: I know I can access my Steam account on OSX, but can I play any game that is supported on OSX that I already own, or do I have to buy a Mac version or something?
Yes, you should be able to play any OSX compatible Steam games that you already own. I bought Portal 2 on Steam awhile back and when I got my Air I was able to install Steam and log-in to my account and install and play Portal 2 without any problems, at no extra charge.
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Yes, you should be able to play any OSX compatible Steam games that you already own. I bought Portal 2 on Steam awhile back and when I got my Air I was able to install Steam and log-in to my account and install and play Portal 2 without any problems, at no extra charge.
Awesome. I will probably going with the Air then. Much to the dismay of this site I'm sure.
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Awesome. I will probably going with the Air then. Much to the dismay of this site I'm sure.
Just note that performance in many OSX compatible Steam games is not as good as in Windows. I haven't seen any recent tests but Anandtech did a few in 2010:

Half Life 2 Episode 2
Portal

What I'm guessing is going on here is that these are probably just ports from a Windows designed games. So the efficiency isn't there when it comes to the performance since it wasn't originally designed to work in OSX. I haven't seen any recent tests but there good have been improvements made since Anandtech did those tests.
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Just note that performance in many OSX compatible Steam games is not as good as in Windows. I haven't seen any recent tests but Anandtech did a few in 2010:

Half Life 2 Episode 2
Portal

What I'm guessing is going on here is that these are probably just ports from a Windows designed games. So the efficiency isn't there when it comes to the performance since it wasn't originally designed to work in OSX. I haven't seen any recent tests but there good have been improvements made since Anandtech did those tests.
I'm not even really concerned with Steam. That is just an added bonus if I can get a few games to run on it.
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