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Hey everyone,
I'm a website designer so it's important that I test all of my sites out in stand alone browsers. I have decided that programs such as IETester just don't do the same job. I'm gonna be running 4 visualizations of Windows most likely with Parallels 7 and these standalone browsers using Windows Update:
- Windows 7 64-bit (IE9)
- Windows 7 64-bit (IE8)
- Windows Vista 64-bit (IE7)
- Windows XP 64-bit (IE6)

The build I'm looking at putting together is an Intel 2500K, Asus P87 Pro, 8GB of DDR3 12800 RAM, and my GTX480 Lightning.

I'm wondering if that will be enough CPU and RAM to run these virutalizations simultaneously? I would like to get these operating as fast as possible in Parallels 7, so should I also invest in a SATA3 SSD for faster load times?

And can you see any bottlenecks happening anywhere else with that setup, even for a pretty fast Sandy Bridge machine like that? Also thinking about upgrading the i5 to the i7 2600K but I'm not sure if it's worth it? I'm going to be running Photoshop, Illustrator, iTunes, Firefox, Chrome, Opera, Safari and my web editor at the same time so that's something to take into account too. Do you think it would also be worth it to upgrade to 16GB of RAM and how much RAM do you think I should allot to each virtual machine to have it all run silky smooth?

Thanks
Edited by revlimiter - 11/2/11 at 7:13pm
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post #2 of 10
Get the 2600k. The multi-threading will be a lot better for vm's

The more ram the better for virtualization.

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post #3 of 10
Browsershots.org if you need it btw. Not interactive (there is a paid interactive site). But it will let you get some top of page screen shots in many browsers and OS's.
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post #4 of 10
I think you would probably need 12-16 GB RAM.
a ssd is always a good idea.
post #5 of 10
Go to 16GB if you want it to run smoothly, plus you could get 16gb for about $80 to 100 anyways
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I also recommend the i7 and 12-16 GB of RAM. My laptop has an i7 990x with 8 GB of RAM, and running 2+ VMs at once will start to push it. I think you'd notice substantial performance degradation without HT.

As for host memory, if all you will be running in the VMs is a browser, 2 GB per host will be plenty.
Edited by Antipathy - 11/2/11 at 8:50pm
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Thanks for your help everyone!
An overclocked i7 2600K with 16GB of good RAM it is. (4GB DDR3-1600 PC3-12800 x4)
I am excited to build this machine and get it running. With a fast SSD I am hoping the browsers in each VM will load up and run just as fast as they would in the desktop I am running Parallels in.
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For your work, Id recommend the stability of a 128gb Crucial M4.

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Another vote for a 2600K and 16GB of RAM -if you can afford it-. If you want to budget the build back a bit, a 1090T is a great value for a machine intended to run lots of VMs and will handle it well also. I'd say the 1090T represents a better value for the intended application of this machine than a 2500K, since it is cheaper, and can actually do the job just as well when you load all of it's cores (as you will be). Downside to a 1090T is IPC if you plan to use the same machine for gaming. Alternatively, you may be one of the very rare candidates who could take advantage of an FX-8120, with 8 semi-real cores it would actually probably give you more absolute instruction throughput than a 2500K or thuban in your case, since you are intending on probably having all those apps and VMs all running at once.

For a productivity machine like that, while I realize you *have* a GTX480, I would suggest installing a few more light duty GPUs alongside that on your board and getting some more screen real-estate to spread out all those VMs and programs on. A couple of low profile GT430s/520s would work fine. 21.5" 1080P monitors frequently go for down near $100 each these days.

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Having said all that, if the budget allowed for it, I would say that a server style build shouldn't be out of the question. The problem of course is cost. A 16 core G34 AMD based build would cost ~$1500 for just mobo and CPUs. However, that would certainly have the appropriate amount of throughput all around to keep up.
     
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post #10 of 10
To be honest, disappointed in the "Ultimate Virtualization Machine".... I was hoping to see a 4x Xeon E7-8870 build..... 80 threads.
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