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You need to go listen to the klipch and see if if you like the sound of the horns or not. I think they are probably a better buy over the polks if the pricing is similar... Especially because, the klipch speakers have higher efficiency, which means you can reach your desired listening levels on a fraction of the power requirements compared to other speakers, which will allow you to listen at louder levels while keeping the amplifier working in it's bottom range of output, which is where it will run cleanest.

As far as the old vs the new klipch that you and I have linked to, I don't think it matters. Whichever you can get for cheaper is probably the best way to go. If you have a chance to listen to each that would be ideal to see if there are any differences to your ears. I suspect they will sound remarkably similar and it really won't matter which way you go.

As far as the receivers go... Honestly, I still like the 250W marantz better than either of those 7.1 channel gazillion watt jobs you linked to.. Notice that the 875W units you linked to weigh about the same as the 250W rated marantz. Also, I don't see a reason for you to spend money on a pair of channels unless you really intend to use them. In my experience, most people have problems trying to arrange a listening room with the extra 2 channels of 7.1 unless there is a dedicated theater room.

If you look at the finer detailed specifications on pioneers website for that amp you linked to, they are a little more honest about the power output there (however, like most units in this segment, they are still lieing to you through omission).
http://www.pioneerelectronics.com/PU...ers/VSX-1021-K
Pioneer claims 90W per channel 20hz-20khz, 0.08%THD. That's actually a pretty respectable performance if it is true. The "lie through omission" part, is that they do no tell you whether that performance is achieved with all channels driven, some channels driven, or just the single channel driven. The likely case is that, the rating assumes a single channel being driven/tested.

In looking at the marantz specifications, ( http://us.marantz.com/us/products/pa...oductId=NR1402 ), you'll notice that the 50W label claim is the same wattage claim they are making in detail specs (The pioneer label claims are inflated), there is less deception with the marantz and I appreciate that from a company. Also, you'll notice, while the marantz shares the same 20hz-20khz, 0.08% distortion rating as the pioneer, marantz has been kind enough to declare the conditions under which it achieved said ratings (2 channels driven). In other words, the marantz is rated to deliver 100W of clean power, while the Pioneer is actually only rated to deliver 90W of clean power. That should be a real wakeup call.

The reason I am going over all this is because I know how hard it is to get most consumers to break the shackles that are always drawing them towards bigger numbers, bigger watts etc.

Now lets look at this from another angle...
The Polk floor standing speakers you originally linked to, are rated 90DB@1W efficiency. The klipch speakers i linked to are rated 96DB@1W efficiency.
Every 3DB increase in sound pressure level requires a doubling of power. So with this relationship considered, the polks will require 4X as much power to play at the same volume level as the Klipch.
In other-words, simply by picking out speakers with 3DB better efficiency, you will be able to achieve equal listening levels with half the amplification power.
In the real world, even with a very low powered amp, most people will find that even the 90DB efficient polks will play at uncomfortably loud listening levels. Within a small sized room, a pair of those polks would achieve ~110DB at somewhere around ~25WPC, The Klipch would achieve the same listening levels at ~6WPC. In either case, rock concert levels are being achieved at power levels that are a fraction of all the huge buzz claims on most amplifiers these days, so with that in mind, again, it is really important not to concern yourself too much with watts, but more, with quality *clean* watts.

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I understand, I was just hoping there was a similar receiver in stock around here, guess I'll just order it and wait. As far as the Klipsch floor speakers go, the old model has 3 5 1/4" woofers and the new one has 2 6 1/2".
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Klipsch+...&skuId=8987484

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Klipsch+...&skuId=2138237

Thanks for all the info though, I would never have known this stuff myself and would have bought whatever I thought was a deal.
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Yea the difference between having the 3x5.25" vs 2x6.5" is probably not going to be very noteworthy. Pick whichever tickles your fancy or is cheaper IMO. The 3x5.25" might theoretically have more total surface area, but the 2x6.5" probably have slightly better Xmax, so the end result should be about the same performance from either.
     
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Yea the difference between having the 3x5.25" vs 2x6.5" is probably not going to be very noteworthy. Pick whichever tickles your fancy or is cheaper IMO. The 3x5.25" might theoretically have more total surface area, but the 2x6.5" probably have slightly better Xmax, so the end result should be about the same performance from either.
Ok, when I go in to work on Monday I'll order the receiver and see if they have the older models in stock still since they are a bit cheaper, if not I'll go with the new.

So if I read correctly, I can start with just a reciever and 2 front floor speakers correct? After that, what pieces should I add and in what order?
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Yea, receiver and 2 fronts is fine, You will have to set the receiver to run in stereo mode, skipping the surround processing for movie watching.

Center channel should be next in line. Followed by either the surrounds or the sub, I'd personally take the surrounds and save the sub for last.
     
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Yea, receiver and 2 fronts is fine, You will have to set the receiver to run in stereo mode, skipping the surround processing for movie watching.

Center channel should be next in line. Followed by either the surrounds or the sub, I'd personally take the surrounds and save the sub for last.
Ok sounds good, I'll go out and try, and if I have any problems I'll check back in. Thanks for all the help from you and others, I know you put a lot of effort into it and now I have some knowledge on home audio.
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One last quick question, would this reciever be anywhere close to the marantz? It has low harmonic distortion, and I can get it for next to nothing.

http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Yamaha+-...&skuId=2053041

EDIT: Annnnd another one. I am second guessing my self if I want to spend this much money? Basically, will I notice that much of a difference in a system like we decided on than I would a cheaper one like this?
http://www.bestbuy.com/site/Denon+-+...&skuId=2371083

I guess what I'm asking is, is it worth it to go high end? How long do people usually keep their systems? Spending close to a grand, I want to make sure I'll be happy and have a good investment.
Edited by Rhyno37 - 11/6/11 at 6:57pm
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You may or may not be able to hear the difference between the marantz and that yamaha, but I know that most enthusiasts would be able to tell a difference. We have an onkyo here probably pretty similar in quality to the yamaha there and I can tell the difference between that and my Rotel pretty easily on the same speakers. Based on paper specifications I suspect that the marantz there I am suggesting would sound more like my rotel and less like my onkyo, and with that in mind, the marantz seems like a real steal of a deal IMO. (Considering that my Rotel originally sold for ~$1200)

In looking at Yamaha specs on the latest one there you have linked up, it appears to be rated 0.9% THD at 85WPC 2 channel driven, while playing a 1KHZ tone. The marantz is rated to deliver ~10X less (0.08%) distortion across the full listening range at a slightly lower rated power (50W is only about 2DB less than 85W, so believe it or not, 85W and 50W are basically the same thing). The Rotel I own is rated 0.03% THD, which puts the marantz a lot closer to the rotel than the yamaha.

I think at the end of the day here, it just really depends on your cost, and how much you want to put into the system. If it were me and the difference were the difference I see of the retail prices there, there would be no question in my mind that the marantz was the way to go. At $400 it's a great deal. I suspect you will be getting it for less. I don't know how much less but any amount less is just icing on the cake IMO.

If you are having a hard time wanting to out-lay all this money up front, another option would be to pick up your rear channel pair, and temporarily use them as your front channel stereo pair. That would reduce your initial costs quite a bit and give you a nice sounding system to start with.

Personally, I would rather have that marantz paired up with even lesser speakers than the yamaha with the nicer klipch, or put another way. I would rather have the marantz hooked up to a bunch of puny little satellite speakers than use the amp included in a home-theatre-in-a-box to drive the klipsch speakers.

It's not like this is a new concept or anything. Most audio enthusiasts who know there stuff will tell you that the amplification quality the most important part of the system. Cheap speakers on a really nice amp will always sound better than expensive speakers on a crappy amp. Speakers can not take away or clean up an amplifiers dirty work, in fact, good speakers will just be that much better at telling you how bad your amp is. With that in mind, the basis of a good system has to start with good amplification, what you do from there doesn't matter that much. Seems to me like your budget has room to enjoy the pleasures of quality amplification.

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Well I went ahead with the Marantz. One day when I'm off I'll come in and listen to the klipsch and polk and see what I like better.
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Nice choice on the Marantz.
    
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