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Oh teh irony
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so much win!
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omg awesome day !!!! great news!!
 
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Not sure how many others read the source, but I'm taken aback that Apple had the cajones to bring up criminal charges against the android tablet manufacturer because of things that stemmed from, what they considered, design patent infringements... Civil/patent charges are one thing, but criminal charges? Wow... Just, wow...
    
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Our court system is VERY different from the one you north-americans have. For one, "loser pays all" and also lawyer costs are much lower than in the US. Altogther this means that small business can defend their interests (if they are legit) without having to worry too much, something that doesn't happen in the US because its just easier and cheaper to desist and/or pay rather than going to court...where even if you win you will have a huge hole in your wallet.

Now, if you add that to the fact that we don't have any lobby for technology firms (we only have one for music..although its power has lowered a lot since they were caught into some not-nice stuff, like fraud), and that the defendant is spanish firm vs a giant, you have it all.

For one, it surprises me this quote:

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En su momento recibimos un burofax de Apple en el cual nos intiman a destruir nuestras tabletas sin posibilidad de recurrir ante la justicia
This means that NT-K got a letter (*a burofax is just a letter that has official validation everywhere, even in court, because when you get it you have to sign it) telling them that they either distroyed their tablets or would have to face Apple on court.

Doesn't that sound like blackmail, to you?

PS: but don't think this is done. They can go to a higher instance and keep trying, although I find it very difficult for Apple to win on this one, specially in Spain.
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post #16 of 22
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Originally Posted by prava View Post
Our court system is VERY different from the one you north-americans have. For one, "loser pays all" and also lawyer costs are much lower than in the US. Altogther this means that small business can defend their interests (if they are legit) without having to worry too much, something that doesn't happen in the US because its just easier and cheaper to desist and/or pay rather than going to court...where even if you win you will have a huge hole in your wallet.

Now, if you add that to the fact that we don't have any lobby for technology firms (we only have one for music..although its power has lowered a lot since they were caught into some not-nice stuff, like fraud), and that the defendant is spanish firm vs a giant, you have it all.

For one, it surprises me this quote:



This means that NT-K got a letter (*a burofax is just a letter that has official validation everywhere, even in court, because when you get it you have to sign it) telling them that they either distroyed their tablets or would have to face Apple on court.

Doesn't that sound like blackmail, to you?

PS: but don't think this is done. They can go to a higher instance and keep trying, although I find it very difficult for Apple to win on this one, specially in Spain.
Interesting--thanks for explaining the court differences (and very glad to hear that it's not like how things are done in the US where basically the person with the most money is likely to win).

I have no idea of the specific patent dispute, but perhaps this will paint a new picture for the absurd litigation Apple is pursuing across the globe, and hopefully reign in some control, because IMHO, things are getting very out of hand (no thanks to the antiquated patent laws we use).
    
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Interesting--thanks for explaining the court differences (and very glad to hear that it's not like how things are done in the US where basically the person with the most money is likely to win).

I have no idea of the specific patent dispute, but perhaps this will paint a new picture for the absurd litigation Apple is pursuing across the globe, and hopefully reign in some control, because IMHO, things are getting very out of hand (no thanks to the antiquated patent laws we use).
Good thing about international forums is that you can always get the whole picture from somebody else

Now that you ask, this is the letter NT-K wrote:

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Today, first of november, the court has decided to shelve and dismiss the demand Apple presented against us on november 2010.

It all starts in november 2010 when customs stop a big shipment of our tablets that we were importing with our own brande: NT-K. Priori to this we got a burofax from Apple in which they wanted us to cease and desist: we would be enforced to destroy our tablets without any chance to seek for damages OR we would face Apple in court because, allegedly, we were infringing Apples IP.

We have tried several times to explain and demonstrate them both Apple and Custombs that our products were different, without any kind of sucess.

Many other business have suffered this same problem but, contrary to them, we decided we would fight back because we have our rights. On 9 december Apple demanded us on a penal court.

Suffice to say that this unfounded accusation has caused us tremendous damages, not only economical but also emotional to our business.

The stoped shipment were samples to be distributed among many different customers in agreement of the contracts we had signed for all of 2011, together with other products. So, not only we lost money for not being able to sell those tables, but by the fact that we lost a ton of clients because we couldn't deliver what was contracted.

And If it weren't enough we have been told that we are in a Brussels importers black list because of piracy.

We are a small business that, as many others with this crisis, is trying to move forward and it seems very unfair that such a huge company needs to use its influence based on its dominan position.

With the dismissal of this cause, we will keep pushing the demand we made official on august to the "anti-trust national comission" and we are looking forward to see its quick veredict.

Meanwhile, we will start a demand against Apple for all sorts of damages.
There are many specific words that I don't know about so I tried my best. Hope its better than google-translator, though
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Proud to be spanish!!

Although it's been done in Valencia, not exactly the region I like the most
   
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Good thing about international forums is that you can always get the whole picture from somebody else

Now that you ask, this is the letter NT-K wrote:



There are many specific words that I don't know about so I tried my best. Hope its better than google-translator, though
Thanks for translating!
    
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Samsung couldn't beat Apple in court over the design of their Galaxy Tab, yet this small Spanish company won against Apple. Good thing though and hopefully other nations will learn from this instead of taking bribes to make Apple the winner.
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