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post #1 of 10
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Goodness Gracious! There are just so many choices. Each with pros and cons.

I currently have a leopold full size with browns. I love it. So much so that I want to take it to work and make it my work keyboard. Let leaves me with a hole at home. I am thinking of going tenkeyless for home. I want to bring my mouse closer to the keyboard when gaming. Currently playing alot of Fps games (not an rts gamer).

So I was looking at the noppo choc mini. I like it overall I guess. I like the layout and the ability to switch the capslock and ctrl keys and the function button to turn on a modified number pad as well.

I would love to have a keyboard with side legends however but I don't know if the other boards in tenkeyless that have that are worth it for her overall usability.

Also I don't know what switch I should go with this time. I really like the browns but the blues intrigue me as well. Is it really a disadvantage to play fps games on a blue. I suck and don't need any other disadvantages.

I don't think I want blacks because I will be using itcto work from home at times. What about reds?

At this point I feel like analysis paralysis and just want to be told what to get.

Thanks for suggestions in advance
post #2 of 10
Take a look at WHY you are buying it and match the features to your needs.

Lots of your questions are qualitative and can only really be answered by you. People game with all kinds of switches. I find browns to be great but would probably like blues as well. The browns are a little soft for typing in my opinion, but still work great. I might get blues simply because I don't have a set of blues and already have browns.

Narrow your choices to 3 boards, then 2, then just buy one. You will probably be happy.

FWIW - I wouldn't buy another 10keyless unless I never intended on typing numbers on it. The number pad is more functional on the order of mouse vs trackpad.
    
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I only use tenkeyless keyboards at home myself. They're smaller so less travel distance, meaning easier/faster to type on for me. The Deck 82 Ice uses Black's, but it's a beast.

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Tenkeyless is great and I think you will find that you will like it's size a lot for gaming due to it bringing your mouse arm closer. As for switches, that's all personal preference. I prefer the light Cherry MX switches, browns and reds to be specific. I don't like the tactility of blues and I don't like the heavy actuation force of blacks. However, don't let someone else's opinion on switches sway what you are going to buy.

The Noppoo Choc Mini you mentioned is a good keyboard. I have one and I have two complaints about. First, the lettering on my keycaps wore out extremely fast(less than a month on the wasd cluster). They fixed this on the new ones, so if you get a newer version you won't have this problem. Second, the keycaps it uses are slightly shorter than your standard keycaps, combining this with the some of the keys being of non-standard size means you can't fully replace the keycaps with an aftermarket set. For many this is a non-issue, but if you had intended on swapping keycaps, keep that in mind.

If you want tenkeyless with red switches your options are a bit limited, Leopold and CM Storm are your best bets. If you want smaller than tenkeyless then take a look at the Choc mini, like you mentioned, or the KBC Poker.

If you want tenkeyless with blues take a look at Leopold, Ducky, or Filco. The Choc Mini and Poker are also available with blues if you want something of their size.

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Originally Posted by bce22 View Post
I would love to have a keyboard with side legends however but I don't know if the other boards in tenkeyless that have that are worth it for her overall usability.
When you say side legends are you talking about keycaps like on the Ninja Filco? If so, you can buy side-printed keycaps and swap them onto whatever keyboard you get. I have a set I got from qtan on GH and they are great quality.
Edited by HWI - 11/3/11 at 10:45am
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i just ordered a leopold tenkeyless with clear switches and lavender Wasd to go with my purple pc theme.

I will post a review once received.

Thanks for the help.
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i just ordered a leopold tenkeyless with clear switches and lavender Wasd to go with my purple pc theme.

I will post a review once received.

Thanks for the help.
Just curious what made you finally choose clears over the other switches you metnioned in your OP?
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i just ordered a leopold tenkeyless with clear switches
I'm also curious as to why you chose the clear switches. I'm certain that I will get the Leopold tenkeyless soon, however I'm still undecided between brown, red and clear switches.

Brown seems to have the greatest popularity. However reds have also been mentioned as good comparisons. Clears are simply harder browns as far as I know. Care to enlighten me?
post #8 of 10
Hmm, Yeah I am thinking the OP will be disappointed with Clears. Most people enjoy lighter keys, and clears in particular are not light at all. They have the highest bottoming out force required, and can be tough to game with for that reason (particularly when moving using the WASD arrow cluster). The bump is right at the top of the switch, and isn't particularly helpful for that reason.

I wouldn't recommend clears to anyone who isn't in love with heavier switches such as the black switch, buckling springs, and some alp switches. Otherwise you will be disappointed by the force gradient. As it increases quite a bit at actuation, and even increases more towards the bottom. Touch typist that use buckling springs, and alp switches sometimes like clear switches.

It's best for most people to stick with light switches such as reds, browns, or even blues (if you can tolerate the noise level especially at night). Another thing is blues can be used for gaming as long as you can tolerate the tactility, and click. The disadvantage of using them for FPS is minimum, and overrated. They are just an annoying switch by some people in general. But, they function fine for games. I found the tactility annoying with the WASD movement cluster. Their tactility can be annoying when you don't need it, but nice when you do. Good luck to the OP though!
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I'm also curious as to why you chose the clear switches. I'm certain that I will get the Leopold tenkeyless soon, however I'm still undecided between brown, red and clear switches.

Brown seems to have the greatest popularity. However reds have also been mentioned as good comparisons. Clears are simply harder browns as far as I know. Care to enlighten me?
Let me make a general statement which is true for most people, "clears will feel much heavier than browns" and they are much different with their tactility. So comparing the two isn't good. It's best in general to stick with lighter switches unless you have tried heavier switches and have liked them. The tactility of a brown switch, and a clear switch is very different. Some consider the tactility of the brown to be better, and some consider the clears to be better. Overall, they are just very different in how they work. The clears have a bump at the top of the switch, and it is most comparable to a Topre switch, and it can be hard to notice for some. Browns have a slight tactility that is more in the middle. People usually consider browns to feel more tactile than clears. Browns are just the safer choice based on the fact that they are lighter, and heavier switches such as the clears just come across as being too springy for typist.

For the mx cherry switches I recommend the red switch, with dampening pads. They are very very light and easy to bottom out on. But, when you have dampening pads they take away a lot of the noise. That to me is the most comfortable cherry switch, and most comparable to the Topre switch.
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I am interested to see how you like the switches. I love every switch I have used. I also have four mini keyboards with different switches right in front of me and each one I like for a different reason but I would say that MX Clears are a bad starter switch. The Clears have a unique feel to them from from any other switch I have tried. They have a very awkward feel in gaming to me. I really like them but they just have a feel to them that I think many people would not like. I find it hard to suggest Clears to someone who is new to mechanicals because of this. Don't get worried about your purchase yet though because 4/4 of my friends prefer MX Clears over any other MX switch or buckling springs. Those are just my personal opinion about them.
Edited by magna224 - 11/3/11 at 11:38pm
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