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Originally Posted by Wishmaker;15596047 
I think you missed the part when early benches and ES samples were very accurate. He kept saying not to trust ES benches because they were not official. So when the official benches are similar to the ES and early ones, of course his credibility is in question. cheers.gif

And ES benches are often lower than final benches, doesn't matter if it is AMD or Intel. Even if they are not completely faked, as they almost always are. Bulldozer is the one exception where underwhelming pre-NDA-expiration numbers shocked everyone into being actually accurate in comparison to final silicon for a change. He's a liar because the almost-always-faked-numbers ended up being right for once in a blue moon?

Man did the best he could given what he was told and allowed to tell. Calling him a liar and driving him off did no one any good.
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Originally Posted by Skripka;15595983 
How did he lie exactly? He posted the best info he had in good faith, bearing in mind he didn't work desktop SKUs.

How do you know tho? Do you know him personally? Do you bike with him on the weekends?
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Originally Posted by Skripka;15596080 
And ES benches are often lower than final benches, doesn't matter if it is AMD or Intel. Even if they are not completely faked. Bulldozer is the exception where underwhelming pre-NDA-expiration numbers shocked everyone into being actually accurate for a change.

Man did the best he could given what he was told and allowed to tell. Calling him a liar and driving him off did no one any good.


...so he knew it sucked yet he kept going on the tangent that it was better than Thuban? He should have stopped posting to avoid the wrath of the mob.


p.s : ES samples are a good way of conveying what a chip can do. Were you expecting 50 % improvement? You must have been really on AMD kool-aid frown.gif. Do not confuse with revisions of a final arch!
 
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Originally Posted by Skripka;15595983 
How did he lie exactly? He posted the best info he had in good faith, bearing in mind he didn't work desktop SKUs.

Early benches are almost inevitably fake or inaccurate or both, and are almost always not to be trusted. That is the way it is. You will never see good purchasing advice based on leaked/early/pre-NDA benches. Virtually anyone on these boards would have and IIRC did say basically the same thing. Calling him a liar for posting very common wisdom, i.e. don't trust early benches and wait for final silicon, past NDA...well. I understand why he said enough was enough. I don't think anyone "outside the know", i.e. under the AMD NDA, expected or took seriously numbers that indicated (what ended up being) the final performance. I know I did not.

We as a community had a great chance to have a fantastic resource here...and over-entitled feeling teenagers here and elsewhere felt their cornflakes were pissed in and drove him off. And I don't necessarily mean to imply you or anyone else in this thread, I mean in general.

Fair enough, but what bothers me about his attitude was this.

He CONFIDENTLY said those leaks were fake, he said they were PROVEN to be fake in several posts. Now, why would confidently make claims that he has no factual evidence behind?

The reason I feel he lied is because once Bulldozer finally launched, the performance numbers were very much in line with the "leaks" that were deemed fake. He even made a condescending FAQ discrediting everything that we now know was real.

Unless he knew for certain that those were not "representative of final performance" he shouldn't have been spreading that information.

Turns out, the leaks were representative of final performance, and nothing was fake afterall. So, what word would best describe what he said to us?

Perhaps he was misinformed? I highly doubt he was:

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mr7kr4kimeM[/ame]

If this doesn't give an indication as to why he was here, I dont' know what will.
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Originally Posted by JF-AMD 
The crazy rumors that run around the internet actually end up with some of the corporate customers. And then I have to debunk them with customers. So there is a selfish self-interest here.
Debunking REAL performance numbers is highly un-ethical.
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Originally Posted by Don Karnage;15596091 
How do you know tho? Do you know him personally? Do you bike with him on the weekends?

How do I know you don't work for Intel and are here to discredit AMD? How do you know I am not in fact a secret AMD PR representative sent in here to fix PR? I or anyone can cook up great ex-post facto conspiracy theories to connect dots.

Unfortunately reality is more mundane, and in this electronic age we can only presume honesty. Given his official AMD rep status from OCN, I presume he was on the level.
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Originally Posted by Skripka;15596135 
How do I know you don't work for Intel and are here to discredit AMD? How do you know I am not in fact a secret AMD PR representative sent in here to fix PR? I or anyone can cook up great ex-post facto conspiracy theories to connect dots.

Unfortunately reality is more mundane, and in this electronic age we can only presume honesty. Given his official AMD rep status from OCN, I presume he was on the level.

I'd love to work for Intel actually. yessir.gif
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Wishmaker;15596115 
...so he knew it sucked yet he kept going on the tangent that it was better than Thuban? He should have stopped posting to avoid the wrath of the mob.


p.s : ES samples are a good way of conveying what a chip can do. Were you expecting 50 % improvement? You must have been really on AMD kool-aid frown.gif. Do not confuse with revisions of a final arch!

I don't know what he knew, as you well know. My understanding was that he was not allowed to tell everything he knew about the architecture from server side, and certain snippets had to be cleared for public consumption. I presume he didn't know actual final benches. You're dealing with corporations here, and they don't let corporate secrets out easily.

And besides, why the hell should there be an angry mob? Remember what I said about over-entitled-teenagers? We're talking silicon, not religion.

Corporations keep lots of info proprietary and secret from even their own employees...things we consider mundane, things like how many jobs they've shipped overseas.
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Cleaned.

Could we have at least One thread about Bulldozer that doesn't need to be closed and cleaned?
Please get back on topic and not derail the thread. Respect one another and the TOS.
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While I think JF (and all of AMD's marketing for that matter) have been quite dishonest in the way they have portrayed BD and how they have attacked critics, I don't guess he had any choice at the end of the day. I mean, what was he supposed to say back in June? "Sorry guys but BD is gonna be an epic fail. Just get a 2500k and be done with it." Of course not! They had to try to make lemonade out of a lemon and I can totally understand that....
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boo! NVIDIA WAS CRAP THIS IS AMD RADEON HD6850 BETTER! wink.gif
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