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Originally Posted by Rafen View Post
...even on a mechanical keyboard you only get the 6kro max using usb.
That's not true.
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post #12 of 27
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That's not true.
could you elaborate? I have a Leopold and I know that is all that it receives when connected usb and the DAS keyboard is the same.
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post #13 of 27
Some are limited to 6KRO on USB, not all. For instance, the Noppoo Choc Mini has NKRO over USB.
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post #14 of 27
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so what other rubber-dome keyboards have 26kro like the sidewinder?
post #15 of 27
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that just means this keyboard is just extra worth it!
post #16 of 27
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its $50 on newegg. gonna get it and cancelled my order for the Blackwidow that only has 6kro only on the WASD buttons... that means the x4 is actually better than the blackwidow!
post #17 of 27
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Originally Posted by BillOhio View Post
It's the keyboard I use. My only issues are that it's illuminated red where my case is blue, and I am constantly turning on Caps Lock accidentally. Otherwise it's a very nice board if you can find one under $50.
its $50 on newegg. gonna get it and cancelled my order for the Blackwidow that only has 6kro only on the WASD buttons... that means the x4 is actually better than the blackwidow!
post #18 of 27
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Originally Posted by clip+ View Post
When did anti ghosting start to mean nkro?
isn't it pretty much the same thing if you can press over 20 buttons at once?
post #19 of 27
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Originally Posted by ripster View Post
Microsoft R&D should fire the Microsoft Peripherals Marketing Group.

OCN didn't exactly treat Microsoft R&D and Paul Dietz very well last time he posted here.
Fortunately, I have a rather thick skin (and some would say, a thick head)...


Anyhow, I understand the sentiment about marketing. We really didn't do too much to publicize the X4.

Looking back on it, one of the marketers told me we really messed up by pricing the X4 so low. True "Anti-ghosting" is a very high-end feature. The low price confuses people, and they end up comparing it to similarly priced keyboards rather than similarly capable keyboards. We certainly didn't help matters by implying that it is a lesser model than the X6. The truth is that the X4 was originally supposed to be a less expensive model to follow the X6, but when it was in design, we managed to sneak in our new resistive multitouch technology, which really doesn't add much to the cost. We ended up mostly following the original positioning plan, releasing the X4 as a lower-cost gaming keyboard, even though it has this awesome feature that the X6 lacks. Of course, the X6 has features that the X4 lacks, and it is actually more expensive to manufacture. From that perspective, the relative pricing makes sense. But it's still unfortunate that people often miss what a ridiculously good value the X4 really is...

That said, I want to correct one bit of easily confusable marketing. While you can press "up to 26 keys", the reporting structure has limits on the numbers of certain classes of keys. It would be fairer to say that you can press 17 arbitrary keys (not counting the special keys). We have a page up that explains this in excruciating detail:

http://www.microsoft.com/appliedscie...eWinderX4.aspx

The 26 is true, but it's not any 26 - it has to be certain types of keys. Of course, it's common in the industry to talk about the max number that can be reported rather than the max number of arbitrary keys that are guaranteed to be reported correctly. That number is 2 for the grand majority of keyboards, including most gaming boards. Many of those high-end mechanical gaming boards are limited to 6 over USB. By this measure, our 17 is awesome.

Finally, to answer an earlier question, the technique we used doesn't actually require a special driver. So the basic functionality works under other operating systems. However, things like macros and media keys require our driver to function correctly.

Hope this helps!
post #20 of 27
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Originally Posted by Rafen;15560099 
Yeah but I'm not sure if you have to use an added software because even on a mechanical keyboard you only get the 6kro max using usb.

Not true, leopolds can do 16kro if I'm not mistaken
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Originally Posted by jchon930;15561437 
isn't it pretty much the same thing if you can press over 20 buttons at once?

I always saw anti ghosting as unwanted letters being blocked. For instance you press g and gh pops up, something like that. I could be wrong tho.
Edited by waar - 11/4/11 at 10:56pm
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