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Two 120mm intakes and one 120mm exhaust might satisfy the needs of most computer users, but not the ones who actually push their systems for work or play. It can fit big PSUs to power big GPUs that it also can’t cool, least of all in addition to those exceptionally rare individuals who overclock.


The new Silverstone case is 400mm long x 210mm wide x 374mm tall. Keep these numbers in mind.

Modifying the storage drive bay would cost nothing in terms of space but would potentially free up more space near the bottom of the case. Nonissue.

5.25 bays are 202mm long max according to SFF-8551 specs. Most DVDrs are between 155-165mm long. Looking at the new Silverstone case, we see a 5.25 bay about that 165mm-ish depth, based on PSU compatibility taking up about half of the case length. Put the PSU on the bottom and you’re left with 400mm – 170mm, or 230mm of space. Can’t quite fit two 120mm fans, but it can definitely fit a 120mm, 140mm, or even 180mm fan.

For height, the case is 374mm tall. Most PSUs are less than 90mm tall, and a mATX motherboard is 244mm tall. Leaving an arbitrary 10mm gap between the motherboard and PSU (we want the second GPU to breathe after all), we have 344mm out of the 374mm height accounted for. 30mm is more than enough for fans up top. If we’re getting really crazy, bump the height up by another 25-30mm and you can fit slim (34mm) radiators with standard 25mm thick fans and have little (4mm or less) or no overlap between them and the motherboard. That clears RAM, by the way.

OR, don't bump the height up at all and offset the fan mounts toward the side away from the motherboard. The radiator would overhang the motherboard by 4mm. Typical 120 rads are in the 135mm x 150mm range; mounted lengthwise and with an arbitrary 5mm between the radiator edge and the nearest case wall, there’s still 210mm – 140mm = 70mm between the radiator edge and the far case wall. That means that we could fit an SR-1 120 radiator lengthwise, with fan(s), and still clear tall memory like Corsair Vengeance (just under 50mm tall). Shorter RAM can accommodate wider radiators; 25-30mm RAM might even fit a single 140 radiator.

Since the case is 210mm wide, throw on a side fan mount of whatever size, biased toward the GPUs. You lose nothing dimensionally, including compatibility with beast air coolers like the D14 and Silver Arrow (which still don't need support, by the way), and can still have an additional intake exclusively for GPU cooling.



TL;DR - Put the PSU on the bottom, flip the motherboard, modify the storage cages, and add fan mounts on the top and side biased toward the non-motherboard edge and GPUs respectively. Case dimensions stay the same, cooling is vastly improved, and it can now accommodate watercooling with two radiators with plenty of space for a res and pump. Throw in moduvent-like fan hole covers for people who don't want or use the extra fan mounts and voilÃ*. Superior to the AO4, maybe superior to the Define Mini, but smaller than both.
    
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Meh. Cooling and cable management will be questionable. The CPU cooler supporter is unnecessary. For its size, it doesn't look like it will do anything particularly well. The only real positive for me is the removable HDD cage; there should be enough room for a 240 radiator in there. I'm still waiting for someone to design their storage cage in two parts, upper and lower, that are independently removable while leaving a low-profile mounting bracket for a HDD and SDD on the bottom (a hybrid of the Cubitek Mini Tank and Lian Li AO4).

Flip the PSU to the bottom, add two 120mm fan mount slots to the top, and adjust the storage bay a little and they'd have a winner - it would be smaller than the AO4, have better cooling, and can better accommodate watercooling setups. Until then... meh.
Fractal design mini does this. I dont know about the low profile mounting bracket though, having difficulties visualizing.
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In essence, it's a way to remove the storage cages entirely but still leave a secure mounting solution for a storage drive. The Cubitek Mini Tank pictured can fit two 2.5 drives. Standard HDDs are 1" tall, if memory serves, so a combo mount for one HDD and one SSD should only be 30-ish mm tall and minimally impact airflow from the lower front intake fan.
    
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EDIT: I wish they sold cubitek cases in the US, I want that tank so baaad!
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In essence, it's a way to remove the storage cages entirely but still leave a secure mounting solution for a storage drive.
Um... this case has that. Take a look at some of these TJ08-E builds. The only thing I'm not sure of is if the bottom bay supports both a 3.5" drive and 2.5" simultaneously. It wouldn't appear to from those build pics, but Silverstone's site seems to indicate it as a possibility.

Regarding your idea for flipping the internals - I think you forgot about the 5.25" bays. If the PSU is at the bottom, the 5.25" bays need to be moved to the bottom as well, or else, if at the top, optical drives would interfere with the motherboard. 400mm (case depth) - 244mm (MATX mobo) - 155mm (optical drive) = no space left for connectors or anything else. The motherboard is more than 244mm from the rear of the case anyway.
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I'd be more interested if the damn panel wasn't on the other side. Front reminds me of the old PS2


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Um... this case has that. Take a look at some of these TJ08-E builds. The only thing I'm not sure of is if the bottom bay supports both a 3.5" drive and 2.5" simultaneously. It wouldn't appear to from those build pics, but Silverstone's site seems to indicate it as a possibility.

Regarding your idea for flipping the internals - I think you forgot about the 5.25" bays. If the PSU is at the bottom, the 5.25" bays need to be moved to the bottom as well, or else, if at the top, optical drives would interfere with the motherboard. 400mm (case depth) - 244mm (MATX mobo) - 155mm (optical drive) = no space left for connectors or anything else. The motherboard is more than 244mm from the rear of the case anyway.
Taking another look at their site, it looks like that's exactly what removing the storage bay leaves behind: a combo 3.5/2.4 mount. Good stuff. Now just make the removable bay itself into two parts that can reach up to the 5.25 bays so the storage options are available (Cubitek, Fractal, Lian Li, etc.).

I'm don't think the 5.25 bays are an issue with motherboard clearance. Optical drives are rarely longer than 158-160mm, leaving at most a 4mm overlap on the top end of the motherboard, plus another few mm for the sata plug-in. Even using two bays won't get down to the mobo power plug-in thing. A 90-degree cable for the optic drive and an intelligently placed hole at that corner of the motherboard tray and make managing cables/connectors pretty easy compared to other SFF cases.

That segues into my previous comment about poorer cable management: the case is plenty wide to maneuver cables behind the motherboard tray, but there are too few holes to actually route cables effectively. It might not look as pretty having more holes in the mobo tray but it would be a heck of a lot more useful (especially since it's removable).
    
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180mm AP181 on the TJ08-e vs 2x 120mm on this one. I guess it's safe to say this one will do better with cooling and will definitely be more WC friendly? Now if only it didn't have a door. It's also 15mm deeper than the TJ08-E. Where exactly the extra depth has gone into it's not so clear but it would be great if it were the space between the HDD cage and the motherboard. Oh and does anyone know whether an H100 will fit on the front?


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EDIT: I wish they sold cubitek cases in the US, I want that tank so baaad!
Pretty sure FrozenCPU has them in stock. Shame there are no mATX cases from them.
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180mm AP181 on the TJ08-e vs 2x 120mm on this one. I guess it's safe to say this one will do better with cooling and will definitely be more WC friendly? Now if only it didn't have a door. It's also 15mm deeper than the TJ08-E. Where exactly the extra depth has gone into it's not so clear but it would be great if it were the space between the HDD cage and the motherboard. Oh and does anyone know whether an H100 will fit on the front?
I think it's a good bet the extra depth is entirely the result of the front bezel, which needs to be deeper to allow more room for the fans to draw air in through the sides.

It could be better for watercooling in the sense that there are far more options as far as dual 120 rads vs. only one option for a single 180mm rad. Technically the 180 has more frontal area than a dual 120 though, so all other things being equal, a 180 rad could afford better cooling. All things aren't equal however, because of the very limited choice of 180mm fans. And of course, a 180mm rad might not readily fit in the TJ08-E.

I think to put any radiator at the front at the very least you'd need to take out both parts of the 3.5" cage.
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