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Even Jobs would have called them TROLLS!!!
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Originally Posted by Carlos Hilgert Ferrari View Post
Dude he founded Apple. Leader on developing games!
Yeaaaah boi... Oregon Trail and Number Munchers.
Edited by Diabolical999 - 11/4/11 at 5:52pm
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I would argue that Gunpei Yokoi had much more of a direct impact on portable gaming than Steve Jobs. He created the original "time wasting" handheld, Game & Watch, in addition to the Game Boy, which in conjunction with the rest of Nintendo's efforts popularized handheld gaming.

He was also Shigeru Miyamoto's mentor in some ways, teaching Miyamoto about game design and pitching his Donkey Kong to higher ups. Miyamoto himself being incredibly influential in the industry, I can't imagine what would have happened had Yokoi never worked with him on Donkey Kong and Mario Bros.

Edit- Not to mention he co-created Metroid, whose non-linear gameplay built on exploration and revisiting past areas to unlock new ones was in itself influential moving forward. No doubt, the man made an incredible impact on not just handhelds, but gaming in general.
Edited by Paradox me - 11/4/11 at 9:58am
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Yeaaaah boi... Oregon Trail, and Minus Muncher.
Oregon Trail was the best shooter ever created.
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Even Jobs would have called them TROLLS!!!
Jobs was the ultimate troll. Make one of the biggest thefts in computer history (Xerox), claim that good artists copy and great artists steal, then sue anyone breathing if they produce something that even looked like one of his products. He trolled the world.

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I would argue that Gunpei Yokoi had much more of a direct impact on portable gaming than Steve Jobs. He created the original "time wasting" handheld, Game & Watch, in addition to the Game Boy, which in conjunction with the rest of Nintendo's efforts popularized handheld gaming.

He was also Shigeru Miyamoto's mentor in some ways, teaching Miyamoto about game design and pitching his Donkey Kong to higher ups. Miyamoto himself being incredibly influential in the industry, I can't imagine what would have happened had Yokoi never worked with him on Donkey Kong and Mario Bros.

Edit- Not to mention he co-created Metroid, whose non-linear gameplay built on exploration and revisiting past areas to unlock new ones was in itself influential moving forward. No doubt, the man made an incredible impact on not just handhelds, but gaming in general.
He probably did, and I was really referring to gaming on phones and tablets. Not a dedicated mobile gaming device. I just wanted people to realize that jobs did have influence on the gaming industry and a large influence in mobile gaming. Were their larger influences yes, you just proved that but his influence was still there.

I just don't like the blind apple doesn't do anything and Steve Jobs didn't influence anything just a good marketer. To much "logic" dodging going on here lol.
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He probably did, and I was really referring to gaming on phones and tablets. Not a dedicated mobile gaming device. I just wanted people to realize that jobs did have influence on the gaming industry and a large influence in mobile gaming. Were their larger influences yes, you just proved that but his influence was still there.

I just don't like the blind apple doesn't do anything and Steve Jobs didn't influence anything just a good marketer. To much "logic" dodging going on here lol.
Like I said before, it really distorts things when casual Angry Birds or Farmville games are lumped together with hardcore games of any kind and everything inbetween as "games", and the people that play them as "gamers." You wouldn't lump in professional athletes and kids at the park together and then state that Nerf is the most influential company in sports.

And if you (not you directly b.walker) are going to say that Jobs, who had nothing directly to do with games but his creations were used for that purpose, then lets give credit to someone who made Jobs' entire career possible.
    
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Like I said before, it really distorts things when casual Angry Birds or Farmville games are lumped together with hardcore games of any kind and everything inbetween as "games", and the people that play them as "gamers." You wouldn't lump in professional athletes and kids at the park together and then state that Nerf is the most influential company in sports.

And if you (not you directly b.walker) are going to say that Jobs, who had nothing directly to do with games but his creations were used for that purpose, then lets give credit to someone who made Jobs' entire career possible.
Haha Tesla...Pure win. I don't agree that we can completely separate the two. For example in regards to Nerf, perhaps one could say that the influence Nerf had on children to go out and be active influenced almost every sport with an influx of kids that normally never would have played and it got us some of the athletes we have today. Stretch probably, but the logic is there (I would hope).

I definitely don't think you can just separate the farmville player from the gaming scene. There are people that are really addicted that game and probably put more time into it then I did wow when i was hardcore raiding. And i have put more time into angry birds than I have in probably any game besides wow and FFX. I think the problem is that "hardcore game" has never been truly defined. I personally don't think you can define a game as hardcore only a player. Wow can be pretty hardcore for the min/max player who sweats wow. Me I never took it that way and found the game easier to play than roller coaster tycoon.

To me ther person is hardcore gamer based on their time investment in games. Person who plays a few games on there phone on the way to work is not. But the lady who sits at her desk all day playing farmville, playing it on her phone while traveling, then back on her pc at home. She is just as hardcore as the #1 wow guild. Hell she probably puts in more time.
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Right, and I agree with you. Its hard to draw a line anywhere, but at the same time you can't say that Angry Birds is in the same league as Starcraft II (or other big titles, just throwing out an example). The problem is our current definition of things. Gaming has always been sort of looked down upon as "childish" or "immature" and a waste of time and not taken seriously even when getting to a professional level.

When you look at someone playing a video game, at first glance you cannot distinguish how serious they are about it. Even 2 people playing the same game. One might be someone trying it out for the first time and the other might be someone who competes on a professional level. Someone standing at a distance and unable to see the screen clearly (or not paying attention to them) would lump them together as 2 people playing video games. Or even if they can see the screen clearly but they don't know much, if anything, about video games they might not be able to see a difference, yet they might be worlds apart. On the contrary, if you see someone playing sports, playing music, drawing, etc. it is evident very quickly how good they are, at least approximately so you can distinguish someone who does it every day and someone who is just having fun that day.

And so, gaming as a whole gets lumped together into one single category.


Im pointing out the extremes to make a point, Im not saying that we are all professional gamers or anything.
    
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