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the technology is there, it has been proven time and time again, but there is no money to be made apparently, according to governments ......we are depended on oil trade as well as consumption......if they would build a hydrogen fueling station where i live, and sell the honda fcx/clarity for a decent amount, i would without hesitation switch to that
    
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Bet they could use HAARP to destroy CO2...
Or bees...birds...shake up volcanos.
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The United States is the illusion of both democracy (there are still a few good people in our government though) and capitalism. It can't be called capitalist when big corporations are bailed out and some big ones don't even pay taxes. And Lenin was hypocritical, media was massively censored under the communist regime and the only way people could express their discontentment was through implicit art or death. All we need here in the US is for people to wake up and truly understand what freedom is and the cost of it. This is getting way too political though lol.
    
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I have lived in Flower Mound TX which is just between Dallas and Ft. Worth and some days the children in school weren't allowed out for recess due to the air quality. Everyone was advised to remain indoors.

Air quality due to man-made emissions is a problem, a big one. How we go about solving it is another issue. Without the burden of big-government regulation, harsh taxes, corporate influence from companies who would lose profits, and the general availability of cheap 'dirty' energy sources I'm sure the free market would have solved this problem by now.

But of course believing that any other party besides the government can solve a problem is crazy-talk.



>>Pointing out that our environmental problems are constantly being over-exaggerated, and used for political gain.

Also, ndustry is not the real cause of the problem- since it has proved more beneficial to humanity than harmful (proof: it exists and thrives) and will always exist. It is the tools industry has to function that causes the problem. I don't think "greed" is what drives markets to the solutions they find to meet demands- but rather availability and practicality. Like a flowing liquid, business follows the path of least resistance. Such great technology as clean nuclear energy is only stunted due to costs, over-regulation, and the stigma it received due to its past failings. Do I believe we ought to make 'dirty' energy so expensive or hard to acquire the necessary approval to produce that it is forced out of use? No. But do I believe we need to make the alternative more efficient, safe, and easier to access? Yes! But before this can happen we must remember the number one tool to make these things so: education. And the average person today (at least in the States) is an absolute moron.
people like you are why things are in such a sht state
post #105 of 225
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The planet isn't alive. It's a big rock, and hasn't "given" us anything.

By the same argument, the first single-celled life forms destroyed the environment they lived in, and should be viewed as some evil force, just as some hippies view the human race.
Define alive. And yes actually the planet has "given" us nearly everything.
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Oh come on now, OWS is a manufactured joke. What you can do is vote! Not for the "green energy" Kool-Aid BS on the table, but for deregulation of true clean and efficient energy sources like nuclear power- which is now all but entirely safe.
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Oh my, once again...

What happened at Chernobyl really scared people- but I believe it is no reason to write off nuclear power. The disaster at Chernobyl was due to a VERY stupid experiment that would never be conducted today- it's not even allowed!

The Chernobyl accident was caused by a steam explosion that stemmed from numerous safety systems being disabled for the experiment, and the reactor running for hours at dangerously low power pre-test due to a load on the station the experimental test was delayed for. This caused a HUGE Xenon pit. Xenon-135 being a combustible nuclear poison that the RBMK-1000 (reactor in question) had no detection system for. The poorly-designed graphite tipped control rods (graphite being a moderator) were the last nail in Chernobyls coffin- when a SCRAM (emergency shutdown) was executed the power jumped at first when all the graphite tips hit. Well, needless to say the SCRAM button was pushed when there was a HUGE Xenon pit, and much cooling water present- the resulting jump in power caused the steam explosion that blew the top of the reactor off spewing fuel and irradiated chunks of graphite everywhere. Such a scenario is LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to recreate with a modern light-water moderated reactor.

Modern reactors are all required to be slightly under-moderated, have a negative prompt-temperature coefficient, be at least partially light-water moderated, and be enclosed in containment structures that can withstand the effects of core damage.
So your solution to ensure that dangerous practices in nuclear power are never repeated is to eliminate the organizations that forbid them?
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Wrong. The highest CO2 levels recorded are now less than 3 times the levels we see now (1000 ppm vs 390 ppm) and that was in the Cenezoic around 65 million years ago. You have to go back around 2 million to see CO2 levels comparable to today. Also global mean temperature was only around 2 degrees warmer and sea levels were 25m higher. Anyone wanna see sea levels rise 25m? It would be a complete catastrophe.

Pretty funny that I literally just finished an exam on environmental change and come home to this article. Anyway, something interesting to note is that the nature of the atmosphere is such that even if we stopped greenhouse emissions 100% right now, the Earth would continue to warm for around 100 years. Therefore the problem we've (well us and previous generations) created is going to be ongoing for centuries to come. Hurray! /sarcasm
Why is it that the majority of people who have either conducted climate research or taken courses on the environment seem to promote the idea that civilization has contributed to global warming and the greenhouse effect, while everyone else insists that it's a natural process? It's almost as if by studying the phenomenon, they learned something that other people don't know.
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Why are humans not nice to planet?
--> ur avatar pic

...because we are a bunch of pigs that dont fly straight.


So what are the solutions to this problem?
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The United States is the illusion of both democracy (there are still a few good people in our government though) and capitalism. It can't be called capitalist when big corporations are bailed out and some big ones don't even pay taxes. And Lenin was hypocritical, media was massively censored under the communist regime and the only way people could express their discontentment was through implicit art or death. All we need here in the US is for people to wake up and truly understand what freedom is and the cost of it. This is getting way too political though lol.
I don't really care if Lenin was hypocritical, no one is going to deny the man was crazy. But he had valid insights into this system of capitalism, the fact that those insights are still valid is disturbing, or at least should be to all of us.

Freedom can never exist in Capitalism.

Freedom can only happen when we, the ones who produce all this crap people buy has a say in it's appropriation. WE HAVE NONE.

Capitalists are quite literally leeches. The system will never last, it's inherently inconsistent, utterly chaotic, and complete anathema to equality.

If talking about Capitalism is political than this site is crazy. Capitalism inst not a political topic, it's a topic that impacts every single part of our life. To not talk about it's failings is gross, and counter productive.

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So what are the solutions to this problem?
The dismantling of Capitalism. Think about it. It's time to go.

Mondragon is a great example of what the western world should be moving towards. Although even there I think the disparity between management and worker is too great.

But at least the CAPITALIST is gone. Which has one goal, and one goal only. TO GET MORE.
Edited by Cesaro Summability - 11/4/11 at 9:06am
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