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Originally Posted by Hawk777th View Post
Yes burning Coal, Natural Gas to power the computer you are on right now. Better turn it off you are part of the problem.

Also quit exhaling, that is also contributing to the problem.
100% renewable here. Not because i'm eco-friendly or anything, it's just the cheapest lol.
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Here we go again...
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If you want to start pointing figures its more likely to be pointed at China and India, both of which have terrible to no regulations and are very bad considering the Population and vehicle density.
Considering that the US and China produce almost half of the worlds emissions and India in a distant third, India is definitely not the main culprit. Taking into consideration that each person in the US produces about 10 times the CO2 as a person in China, the population argument doesn't do much. Considering that the US has over 20 times the cars per capita as China and 40 times the cars per capita as India, the vehicle density doesn't seem to hold much water either.

EDIT: By the way, if you want to talk about shear numbers of vehicles there are about 260,000,000 passenger vehicles in the US and about 60 million in China.

EDIT 2: China and the US have about the same area of land.
Edited by kaxel - 11/4/11 at 2:38pm
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Considering that the US and China produce almost half of the worlds emissions and India in a distant third India is definitely not the main culprit. Taking into consideration that each person in the US produces about 10 times the CO2 as a person in China, the population argument doesn't do much. Considering that the US has over 20 times the cars per capita as China and 40 times the cars per capita as India, the vehicle density doesn't seem to hold much water either.
The problem isn't having a car; it's having a car that produces significant amounts of CO2.

The solution isn't banning cars with bad CO2; it's introducing better cars that, as an added bonus, don't have significant CO2 output.
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To all those doubting that the climate is changing & globe is warming, you're the flat earthists at this point. The only thing left to argue is why it is & how it can be stopped.

via: http://climate.nasa.gov/

1909 & 2000 TOBOGGAN GLACIER, ALASKA


McCarty Glacier, Alaska. July 30, 1909. & August 11, 2004


Holgate Glacier, Alaska. Left: July 24, 1909. Right: August 13, 2004


OKPILAK GLACIER, ALASKA Left: June 1907. Right: August 5, 2004


MOUNT KILIMANJARO, AFRICA
Kilimanjaro Glacier top view and side view, photographed by NASA's Landsat satellite on 17 February, 1993 (left) and again on 21 February, 2000 (right).


MIGHTY MATTERHORN
The nearly 15,000-ft-high Matterhorn mountain, located in the Alps on the border between Italy and Switzerland. Left: August 16, 1960 at 9.00 am. Right: August 18, 2005 at 9.10 am


RETREAT OF CARROLL GLACIER, ALASKA Left: August 1906. Right: June 21, 2004.



The retreat of Pedersen Glacier, Alaska. Left: summer 1917. Right: summer 2005.



CARBON COUNTER

Carbon dioxide levels in our atmosphere are rising. Left: July 2003. Right: July 2007. Both images show the spreading of carbon dioxide around the globe as it follows large-scale patterns of circulation in the atmosphere. The color codes in these two pictures are different in order to account for the carbon dioxide increase from 2003 to 2007. If the color bar for 2003 were to be used for 2007, the resulting 2007 map would be saturated with reddish colors, and the fine structure of the distribution of carbon dioxide obscured.

    
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Way to put a damper on things here. ^

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Not to worry Planet gonna be OK, worry about human lives. Is 5% of humanity aware that they are a self-destructing species? Also global warning is a natural process would happen anyway, what does it matter today or 200 years later lol.
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of heat-trapping carbon dioxide
I absolutely hate it when CO2 is associated with any sort of heat-trapping mechanism.

CO2 has other effects, but it has not been shown to contribute AT ALL to any sort of temperature trend on earth.

In order to effect a 1-degree increase in global temperatures, the atmosphere would have to be composed of more than 70% CO2 (because of the way the heat-transport mechanism of CO2 gas works--it's THAT inefficient).

I'm all for doing whatever we can to reduce CO2 output, but not because it has any effect on global temperatures (because it does not).
    
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The problem isn't having a car; it's having a car that produces significant amounts of CO2.

The solution isn't banning cars with bad CO2; it's introducing better cars that, as an added bonus, don't have significant CO2 output.
Chinese and Indian cars are generally more efficient than American cars because they are smaller and lighter. Until very recently American cars have been turning the better efficiency of engines into horsepower, not gas mileage. American cars are not more fuel efficient than Chinese and Indian cars in general. Now, if you look at the CO2 emissions of these three countries it would be clear to you that even if the US has extremely fuel efficient cars it is not helping with CO2 emissions much, as we are right behind China. 300,000,000 people driving cars that get great gas mileage will make more CO2 than 60,000,000 cars driving, 1/5 of the number of American cars. Regardless of any subjective efficiency argument you give me, the US produces 4 times the CO2 as India and almost as much as China.

Besides cars, the US makes the majority of it's power burning coal, natural gas, and oil. The US also uses trucks to transport goods far more than rail.
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If you care to look at any facts, which people don't do much anymore, you can see that on average Chinese vehicles are 50% more fuel efficient than American vehicles.

http://www.pewclimate.org/docUploads...605_110719.pdf
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