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I'm flabbergasted everytime this topic comes up and yes each one of us are to blame but the big corporations are the biggest factors here and are most to blame.

It must be music to their ears that most of us are willing to share the blame.

They go into the wilderness, dig, cut and pillage, churn up factories and pollute and then the government (half of which are themselves working on behalf of big corporations and wall street), thanks to the lobbyists and the back door deals, barely put regulations in place to slow them down or impose any taxes on the elite that feel entitled to the earth's resourses (study recently conducted - features on CNN showed that some of the top corporations paid little to 0 taxes in the last 3 years).

They dig up the crown/people's resourses and I don't see my cut of that in the mail as a citizen.

How can you blame individual citizens at all really. I buy the products you offer me. You want to reduce pollution, then invent, produce and market better products. And please, when someone does invent something that is better for the environment don't buy and shelve the invention or assasinate the inventor. And if the invention does make it to market, please expedite the new, phase out the old and please don't price the new/cleaner invention out of the range of the masses and over and above the old. It just defeats the purpose.

Thank you.
 
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Originally Posted by Gunderman456 View Post
I'm flabbergasted everytime this topic comes up and yes each one of us are to blame but the big corporations are the biggest factors here and are most to blame.

It must be music to their ears that most of us are willing to share the blame.

They go into the wilderness, dig, cut and pillage, churn up factories and pollute and then the government (half of which are themselves working on behalf of big corporations and wall street), thanks to the lobbyists and the back door deals, barely put regulations in place to slow them down or impose any taxes on the elite that feel entitled to the earth's resourses (study recently conducted - features on CNN showed that some of the top corporations paid little to 0 taxes in the last 3 years).

They dig up the crown/people's resourses and I don't see my cut of that in the mail as a citizen.

How can you blame individual citizens at all really. I buy the products you offer me. You want to reduce pollution, then invent, produce and market better products. And please, when someone does invent something that is better for the environment don't buy and shelve the invention or assasinate the inventor. And if the invention does make it to market, please expedite the new, phase out the old and please don't price the new/cleaner invention out of the range of the masses and over and above the old. It just defeats the purpose.

Thank you.
Yet it's this pillaging, factories, etc., that allows us to use the computers we're on to post on OCN, drive to where we need to go, do the work we have to do to earn a day's wage.

If it were that big of a deal to people, then they would speak with their wallets and not financially support it at all. But that's now how it works because everyone wants the next greatest thing (or at the very least, they "need" the things they do to get through day-by-day)--they seldom realize what it takes to bring that item to their front door.
    
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Originally Posted by Artemus View Post
More of our Earth's trees have been removed in Africa than anywhere else.

There are tons of open spaces where trees can be planted. Even in my neighborhood, these areas are directly owned and maintained by the counties, cities, and states.
There are a few problems with this. One is that we have been clearing trees en masse (humans that is) for over 8000 years. Most of the places we clear trees have been developed. As you rightly say there are still plenty of places but really to make any significant difference we would need to plant ridiculous amounts in places where there isn't room.

The larger issue is that trees only take in carbon as long as they're growing. As soon as their fully mature they are carbon neutral. I'm not saying don't plant trees. I'm just saying it isn't feasible as our be-all end-all plan.

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I absolutely hate it when CO2 is associated with any sort of heat-trapping mechanism.

CO2 has other effects, but it has not been shown to contribute AT ALL to any sort of temperature trend on earth.
I'm sorry but this is just flat out wrong. I point you again to the ice-core data we have below. How can you look at the correlation between temp and CO2 concentration and tell me that one doesn't affect the other. Also we KNOW CO2 is a greenhouse gas - have done for centuries. Are you really questioning this!?

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Yet it's this pillaging, factories, etc., that allows us to use the computers we're on to post on OCN, drive to where we need to go, do the work we have to do to earn a day's wage.

If it were that big of a deal to people, then they would speak with their wallets and not financially support it at all. But that's now how it works because everyone wants the next greatest thing (or at the very least, they "need" the things they do to get through day-by-day)--they seldom realize what it takes to bring that item to their front door.
Oh it will soon be very apparent to all Americans. Let us not forget that we are funding China's growth, and when they finally overtake us, it's going to be an amazing(good or bad?) day in America.

How will Americans react when they realize that they will NOT have a rising standard of living? That for the first time we are NOT seeing this happen. It's been going on for 40 years now in terms of real wages. It's a scary thought, these are the kinds of things that lead to social revolution.

I for one hope that, that revolution recognizes what all others have not. The importance of the appropriation of SURPLUS, by those who produce it!
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Only on OCN (the internet?) everyone suddenly becomes an expert scientist on global warming
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Only on OCN (the internet?) everyone suddenly becomes an expert scientist on global warming
What, you didn't know? OCN has 80% of the worlds scientist in every field imaginable

Anyway, I hate how they link human emitted CO2 to global temperature rise .... Theres this cycle that has been going for tens and hundreds of thousand of years. Its not like ever since our industrial revolution happened, we have a significant impact in this matter. Yes, the CO2 emitted by human machines is there, but its no where near as important as they want you to believe.
Its not like if everybody was driving a Prius instead of an SUV we would save the planet . That makes me laugh .. especially seeing that most of the main caracters in recent comedies drive priuses lol ...
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Well lets say even we didnt use any computers anymore, to search thing but now instead of using wikipedia go to the library. That will cost us gasoline, a car. means more CO2, less computer but more CO2. Or we walk to the library eat meat and vegetables, Cows fart are methane, and vegetables like those not in season and need to be made in greenhouses need warmth and that burning gas/coals
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What, you didn't know? OCN has 80% of the worlds scientist in every field imaginable
I got a first class honours in global warming from the University of Bull.
    
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I got a first class honours in global warming from the University of Bull.
That's nice, good for you. I'm glad to see a real expert here. But I was referring to the 95% of people who vaguely know something about a subject.
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That's nice, good for you. I'm glad to see a real expert here. But I was referring to the 95% of people who vaguely know something about a subject.
I'm not sure if you got my joke
    
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