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We need everyone to stop farting and contributing to the methane in the atmosphere. Cows especially.
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Originally Posted by Drift0r View Post
We need everyone to stop farting and contributing to the methane in the atmosphere. Cows especially.
Nothing a cork in the right place wont fix.
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Originally Posted by IcyPimpHand View Post
But planet give us everything.
The planet isn't alive. It's a big rock, and hasn't "given" us anything.

By the same argument, the first single-celled life forms destroyed the environment they lived in, and should be viewed as some evil force, just as some hippies view the human race.
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Originally Posted by luanswan2002 View Post
Nuclear power /thread.
Ummm...fission I'm not a huge fan of (but it's better than coal and such). Fusion however I would love to see in my life time. Along with eminent current(or whatever Tesla called his wireless power transmission method).
     
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Oh, cool! Let's listen to the crap-science backed controlled media! Because somehow this 'global warming' scare tactic hasn't gotten old yet.

Now some politician will tell you we need to pass a bill to correct these "dangerous emissions levels" and if we don't we want to kill the earth. Said bill will in reality raise taxes, and shrink our liberties- and the sheeple will buy it..
There is a big difference between politics and environmental problems. It can be covered in politics, but at the end of the day, the issue still remains. Can reduce emission, deforestation, pollution, etc. one step at a time. It'll be hard, simply because of industry and human civilization. The Earth can certainly take a beating, but not that the post-modern industrial world we live in today, where increasing amounts of energy requirement and use is driving fuel prices skyhigh, lowering the standard of living due to population growth. The estimated carrying capacity of the Earth is nearing, and before you can say, I'll be dead before that happens, people will be starving, dying of disease, killing each other for water. In fact, all that I've listed is already happening, some of the more barbaric ones are happening in the U.S., but the water issue could be the greatest one of them all. Water is needed for everything, there is no doubt about that. The U.S. uses the most water per person compared to any country in the world and we are already engaged in all out war with each other over water rights. The brutality of the nature of water as a natural resources is causing a huge rift between everyone. So is it more important for farmers to get water or city dwellers in the urban hot spots to have water? Or do companies have the right to buy up water sources in your small town, bottle it, and sell it off hundreds and even thousands of miles away. Just a food for thought.


(if it helps determine my bias, I live in California, 2nd year college student, and all the Environmental issues I am currently learning in my Environmental Engineering class. Though in controlled labs we run simulations, the reality is still pretty evident that industry and selfishness will lead to our demise faster than we are willing to realize)
Edited by matrix2000x2 - 11/3/11 at 9:54pm
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Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt View Post
Ever lived in a major city? These emission levels ARE dangerous for our lungs, if nothing else.

I don't believe in the cap n' tax stuff but I do think that we need to stop focusing on the now and actually think about stuff 20-50 yrs down the road. If humanity could do that, we could accomplish wonderful things, and not just with emissions.
I have lived in Flower Mound TX which is just between Dallas and Ft. Worth and some days the children in school weren't allowed out for recess due to the air quality. Everyone was advised to remain indoors.

Air quality due to man-made emissions is a problem, a big one. How we go about solving it is another issue. Without the burden of big-government regulation, harsh taxes, corporate influence from companies who would lose profits, and the general availability of cheap 'dirty' energy sources I'm sure the free market would have solved this problem by now.

But of course believing that any other party besides the government can solve a problem is crazy-talk.

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Originally Posted by matrix2000x2 View Post
There is a big difference between politics and environmental problems. It can be covered in politics, but at the end of the day, the issue still remains. Can reduce emission, deforestation, pollution, etc. one step at a time. It'll be hard, simply because of industry and human civilization. The Earth can certainly take a beating, but not that the post-modern industrial world we live in today, where increasing amounts of energy requirement and use is driving fuel prices skyhigh, lowering the standard of living due to population growth. The estimated carrying capacity of the Earth is nearing, and before you can say, I'll be dead before that happens, people will be starving, dying of disease, killing each other for water.


(if it helps determine my bias, I live in California, 2nd year college student, and all the Environmental issues I am currently learning in my Environmental Engineering class. Though in controlled labs we run simulations, the reality is still pretty evident that industry and selfishness will lead to our demise faster than we are willing to realize)
>>Pointing out that our environmental problems are constantly being over-exaggerated, and used for political gain.

Also, ndustry is not the real cause of the problem- since it has proved more beneficial to humanity than harmful (proof: it exists and thrives) and will always exist. It is the tools industry has to function that causes the problem. I don't think "greed" is what drives markets to the solutions they find to meet demands- but rather availability and practicality. Like a flowing liquid, business follows the path of least resistance. Such great technology as clean nuclear energy is only stunted due to costs, over-regulation, and the stigma it received due to its past failings. Do I believe we ought to make 'dirty' energy so expensive or hard to acquire the necessary approval to produce that it is forced out of use? No. But do I believe we need to make the alternative more efficient, safe, and easier to access? Yes! But before this can happen we must remember the number one tool to make these things so: education. And the average person today (at least in the States) is an absolute moron.
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Im surfing OCN on a tree atm
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Meh, twas only a few hundred thousand years ago and the overall level of CO2 in the atmosphere was many times higher than it is now and far more than anything mankind could throw into it. The oceans thanks to this geological cool spell have dissolved just an incredible amount of the stuff. Not as cool as an ice age, but cool.

People forget that if the sun goes into a hot streak the oceans' ability to hold the gas goes way down and the heating causes it to release into the atmosphere. That, or most people never studied chemistry.
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Originally Posted by FuNkDrSpOt View Post
Ever lived in a major city? These emission levels ARE dangerous for our lungs, if nothing else.

I don't believe in the cap n' tax stuff but I do think that we need to stop focusing on the now and actually think about stuff 20-50 yrs down the road. If humanity could do that, we could accomplish wonderful things, and not just with emissions.
People get two things mixed up: harmless CO2 and toxic gases. CO2 does not fall under toxic/harmful category. Yes indeed, all you green movement people should be worried about making sure enough trees are planted instead of making CO2 look like evil.
    
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Also quit exhaling, that is also contributing to the problem.
No, this part is wrong. CO2 is part of a normal ecosystem. Everything alive exhales it, and with higher CO2 levels, plants grow larger, filtering out MORE CO2. It actually balances out very nicely.

The problem is that cars/factories/etc. all put out more CO2, and we're getting RID of plants, rather than letting there be more of them.

Also all the chemicals and such arent great for the environment either.

In addition, depending on where you live, your computer might be running of Solar, Wind or Hydro-electric power - ALL environmentally friendly and renewable resources.



I believe statistically, if we could harness all the suns power that only hits OUR planet in 1 minute, we could power EVERYTHING for a year. We dont even need to remotely reach this goal. If we can get that much power out of 11 months, rather than 1 minute, we're still good.

Also nuclear fission. Done properly it SHOULD just give us Iron in the end (which is harmless).
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