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Stop before you hurt yourself!
Man our educational system sucks here in the USA.

the chips are 28 x 28 = 784 sq nm

old chips are 40 x 40 = 1600 sq nm

Ok now go look at a mask for a gpu?
Now look closely at where registers and buffers and everything line up?
Which way does the logic flow through the chip? On the x-axis or the y-axis? Or does it flow through the chip in both axis at the same time?

You have to half each axis plus a wee bit more to double the clock speed. Which is why a chip depending on how you look at it or hold it or orient it usually ends up increasing the cores and then trying to come up with something to do with them. This usually involves increasing monitor resolution as you increase the frame buffer anyway.

But if you want to artificially apply a squared formula to it. Have at it. If 40nm gpu's can do 1000 mhz 28 nm gpu's will be able to handle around 1300 mhz.

CPU's as they worked towards 1 clock per instruction benefited most by the partial shrinks because the instruction would go
------
---
---
------ output.

In other words the instruction would pass through a small portion of the chip output to a register pass through another small portion of the chip output to a register and then pass through another portion of the chip. Shrinking was the equivalent of removing connecting flights.
Take the high road take the low road. Doesn't matter. What is important is you understand there is a road and you need to see how it works and where it goes.

Now for a 28 nm to be equivalent to 2 40nm chips you would have to rearrange the logic so that you could some how get all the various compute cells to take advantage of both the x and y axis.

That's quite a bit of rearranging don't you think.

And killnine your graphics card is very relevant and very good. The problem is you have a 30" 2650x1600 monitor. It's a black hole of computational needs that can only be satisfied by 3 gpu's because that's how many more pixels it has over a normal monitor. An insane monitor is going to require an insane graphics subsystem. And having 3 or 4 gpu's putting out 120 watts each is going to take you to water cooling and microstutter and graphics engines falling on their face from the gpu scheduler locking everything up try to task it and there just really is no end to the troubles you face.
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Edit: and how soon after they are released would we expect to see waterblocks for them?
Depends on if AMD lets the block manufacturers see the layout before release or not. If so, ~2 weeks, if not more like ~2 months.
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I know this will purely be speculation, but what do you think we can expect the prices to be for 7950/7970?

Edit: and how soon after they are released would we expect to see waterblocks for them?
~$449.99 and $549.99
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two stages to this,

1. get a 5770 to hold me over
2. get new gen gpu with tax return..
    
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~$449.99 and $549.99
Those are insane prices for single GPU cards. I'm going to say $300 and $380 for the 7950 and 7970.
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Ok now go look at a mask for a gpu?
Now look closely at where registers and buffers and everything line up?
Which way does the logic flow through the chip? On the x-axis or the y-axis? Or does it flow through the chip in both axis at the same time?

You have to half each axis plus a wee bit more to double the clock speed. Which is why a chip depending on how you look at it or hold it or orient it usually ends up increasing the cores and then trying to come up with something to do with them. This usually involves increasing monitor resolution as you increase the frame buffer anyway.

But if you want to artificially apply a squared formula to it. Have at it. If 40nm gpu's can do 1000 mhz 28 nm gpu's will be able to handle around 1300 mhz.

CPU's as they worked towards 1 clock per instruction benefited most by the partial shrinks because the instruction would go
------
---
---
------ output.

In other words the instruction would pass through a small portion of the chip output to a register pass through another small portion of the chip output to a register and then pass through another portion of the chip. Shrinking was the equivalent of removing connecting flights.
Take the high road take the low road. Doesn't matter. What is important is you understand there is a road and you need to see how it works and where it goes.

Now for a 28 nm to be equivalent to 2 40nm chips you would have to rearrange the logic so that you could some how get all the various compute cells to take advantage of both the x and y axis.

That's quite a bit of rearranging don't you think.

And killnine your graphics card is very relevant and very good. The problem is you have a 30" 2650x1600 monitor. It's a black hole of computational needs that can only be satisfied by 3 gpu's because that's how many more pixels it has over a normal monitor. An insane monitor is going to require an insane graphics subsystem. And having 3 or 4 gpu's putting out 120 watts each is going to take you to water cooling and microstutter and graphics engines falling on their face from the gpu scheduler locking everything up try to task it and there just really is no end to the troubles you face.
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lolwut? Tell me you're being sarcastic...

A 7970 (single-gpu) performing as well as a 6990 (dual-gpu) is damn impressive. What have you been smoking?
Well 28nm is a pretty significant shrink from 40nm, i would at least expect the 7770 to be as powerful as a 6990, this is not really "pushing" technology, theres nothing impressive about it, this is more standard than impressive.

Hopefully nvidia, make something more powerful, since i know the gtx 560, mid end is more powerful than a gtx 295.
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Seems AMD has a pattern going; the 5870 was as fast as the 4870x2.
but the 6870 was not as fast as the 5870.
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Well 28nm is a pretty significant shrink from 40nm, i would at least expect the 7770 to be as powerful as a 6990, this is not really "pushing" technology, theres nothing impressive about it, this is more standard than impressive.

Hopefully nvidia, make something more powerful, since i know the gtx 560, mid end is more powerful than a gtx 295.
Seriously? Check the facts. When's the last time a lower midrange card matched the previous generation's top end dual-GPU beast?

Hint: never.

And there's nothing special about the shrink from 40nm to 28nm. We have a die shrink every few years.
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amd just keeps making things better and better. i am definitely going to upgrade. especially with the 30% less power consumption.
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