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post #41 of 147
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bullveyr;15570503 
Yes but Zowie uses a ddifferent lens.


That doesn't worry me those 2 fit together with a different lens (1800:3500 and 1150:2300 is pretty much the same ratio) but 450 CPI is something totally different.

Normally you don't get support from Avago with a 3rd party lens.

PS: That lens could probably also have a negative effect on precision.

Well if you believe that the sensor srom is the standard avago one (v67) than you can assume it is running with a 1800 dpi register value for 450 and 1150 dpi and the 3500 dpi setting for the 2300 dpi.
Thus you could assume that the low lod lens reduces performance roughly by 40% with same typical speed.

If you now bit shift the result with 1800 dpi you "lose" (cut-off) the impact off the degraded performance and can still offer the same precision as if you could reach 1800 dpi with the 1800 dpi register value instead of just 1150.

Purely from performance I am the most confident that 450 dpi will work out and more questioning the 1150 and 2300 dpi steps, as i am not sure if a lens caused reduced loss of precision is "stable".
post #42 of 147
Dont get too excited guys.
Every time some company release new mouse with low weight all this forum just crash with comments. cool.gif

1st of all ya shape looks great but if you look at size is strange less wider than Kinzu. Kinzu already is very small so this one might be difficult to hold. But shape will be personal preference.

2nd Zowie's custom lens can give strange tracking. Zowie EC1/2 suffer from strange tracking or over smoothing of mouse moments. Kinda feel of acceleration which only few players can notice.

3rd Dpi steps are strange they are not default by sensor. That doesnt mean it wont suit to everyone. Some players probably wont like tracking of their custom srom.

4th Side buttons on the other side always come in way Which can be fixable via tape.
But problem with Zowie mouse to reduce weight they have side buttons soldered to main PCB. Which means they will have curved shape inside to press the side button. Which means deep travel and flmizy side buttons like EC1/2. Just not confirmed about this yet but possible.

In short wait someone to review it. Otherwise you end up with expensive Zowie mouse with is 3 times more than actual price and it sits in your drawer; you go back to your wmo or whichever your current favourite is.
post #43 of 147
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Originally Posted by Bullveyr;15570241 
Judging from the pics the AM Mouse has a similar fat ass.

Someone with some Photoshop skills should put one on top of the other.

There you go!
post #44 of 147
Well, what can I say?

I've been using the EC2 (Blue) for some weeks now and I really like it. The EC series of mice has some issues, as many here have pointed out...but: don't you think that compared to other manufacturers they are less bad smile.gif?

Anyways, everyone who is interested in this mouse (like me) should consider the following:

- the sensor has been prove to "have potential" but it can be hard to get right: CM did a decent job on the Spawn (the best effort for a 3090 mouse as of yet) but it still has some minor issues. Read: it's not a "perfect sensor".

- the optical lense Zowie used on the EC2 seems to be picky about surfaces or a bit flawed. Personally I cannot notice jitter with my EC2, but other do so...its up in the air if Zowie does a better job on the AM

- Zowie is overpriced. Yeah, big deal I know. All gaming grade mice are, but Zowie ask a lot given their low feature mice. I am willing to pay for that as the EC series at least *works* for me. But still, 59,90 for that...well, I'd expect the best switches then etc. But we might not get good Omrons on the side buttons still. Despite the price.
post #45 of 147
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Originally Posted by Skar;15570877 
Well if you believe that the sensor srom is the standard avago one (v67) than you can assume it is running with a 1800 dpi register value for 450 and 1150 dpi and the 3500 dpi setting for the 2300 dpi.
Thus you could assume that the low lod lens reduces performance roughly by 40% with same typical speed.

If you now bit shift the result with 1800 dpi you "lose" (cut-off) the impact off the degraded performance and can still offer the same precision as if you could reach 1800 dpi with the 1800 dpi register value instead of just 1150.

Purely from performance I am the most confident that 450 dpi will work out and more questioning the 1150 and 2300 dpi steps, as i am not sure if a lens caused reduced loss of precision is "stable".
So you mean it's mainly done by the MCU?

I would assume the lower CPI are a result of a different "focusing pont" of the lens.
3500 CPI register becomes effectively 2300 CPI and 1800 becomes 1150 ("same" ratio).
That would mean the 450 CPI would be a not so simple "interpolation".

My main point is that Avago knows what they are doing and I have a hard time to believe that you can improve one aspect of a sensor with a different lens without negative effects on others.
We will see if the lower CPI are the only negative effect. wink.gif

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Originally Posted by kaingosu;15571319 
There you go!

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post #46 of 147
They should use stock lens, scale down CPI in 1/n steps from 1800 and use hardware switch for low LOD like A4Tech did (anti-vibrate but placed somewhere near sensor). It's cheaper and probably more stable solution.
post #47 of 147
There. The size of the the Zowie AM is outlined by the red edge

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post #48 of 147
Do want.

I just returned my SS Sensei since it was a $90 paperweight. [DOA]
However, I did really like the size and shape of the mouse, which is similar to this particular Zowie.
I'll be keeping my eyes on this mouse. ninja.gif
post #49 of 147
Is this just a claw grip mouse.
post #50 of 147
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Originally Posted by dmxdex2020;15573651 
Is this just a claw grip mouse.

well the sensei can be used very well as both palm and claw so I think you can do that with this one also
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