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WTH? MSoffice 2007 doesn't do that with any docs I open with it from libre. Although I just use odt since it works/opens in 2007 as well. .docx is a problem though because I often can't read the first or last page of a document someone sent me with it.
Same here, never had any problems with libreoffice like that. Also I prefer to use abiword because it integrates better and has a much simpler interface.
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Yeah I got emails back from people claiming I'd sent them a virus, I had to explain it was simply and error.
i think you get those "warnings" too if you are using MS 2003. as i use that in windows and i've gotten those types of emails back, when they've been opening in the latest MS office.
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post #13 of 42
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Given the number of linux devotees here, I expected more of a rebuttal to my thoughts, but by the dearth of response, I presume I'm tracking...

Looking at what has been put forth, I'll say this: to the end-user, it simply doesn't matter why...it's that it (be it a software program, drivers, external device, etc.) doesn't work, regardless as to whether or not the fault is within the OS itself, or third-party vendors that don't offer Linux support.

It's fun to play with, but as a full-fledged primary consumer OS...maybe I'll check back again in another SIX years.
post #14 of 42
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Originally Posted by jlells01 View Post
Given the number of linux devotees here, I expected more of a rebuttal to my thoughts, but by the dearth of response, I presume I'm tracking...

Looking at what has been put forth, I'll say this: to the end-user, it simply doesn't matter why...it's that it (be it a software program, drivers, external device, etc.) doesn't work, regardless as to whether or not the fault is within the OS itself, or third-party vendors that don't offer Linux support.

It's fun to play with, but as a full-fledged primary consumer OS...maybe I'll check back again in another SIX years.
not exactly sure what we were suppose to rebut? You make a post, with a graph about desktop shares, make some generalizations, then say linux distro's are all beta OS's...


If I was you, I'd ask for my money back...
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post #15 of 42
IMHO the two things holding Linux back from the masses is

a) application support and
b) pre-installation.

Application support is a basic requirement, and the cold fact is that MS Office, Adobe Photoshop and Premier, AutoCAD and all the best games, all run on Windows, Mac OS X or both. Remember, an OS is simply a platform for applications, nothing more.

These days, for the casual user this will matter less, due to the fact that the casual user now spends their time on Gmail and Facebook, but it doesn't matter less enough.

Software such as MSN Messenger and Skype still work best on Windows and Mac OS X . This is FACT. Integration and synchronisation via Bluetooth with the Androids, Blackberrys and iPhones of this world still works best on Windows and Mac OS X. This is FACT.

Even in the enterprise world, where Linux has a far greater foothold, its desktop presence is weak. I recently needed to do a desktop conference call using GoToMeeting. Does it support Linux? Nope.

People expect these things to Just Work, and rightly so.

Allied to this is the issue of pre-installation. Windows and Mac OS X have been around for a loooong time, and are well known. You can't avoid them, even if you have no interest in computing.

You can't avoid Linux either, but your exposure to it is surreptitious, rather than overt. Linux is in cars, TVs, set-top boxes, cash machines, web servers, routers, payroll systems, banks, stock exchanges. All of the invisible places.

Pre-installation on desktop machines would make Linux far more visible, and the hardware vendors wouldn't have to pay a penny for it, but they won't do it unless they think it's worth it. Is it worth it? To answer that question, ask this:

What's the killer desktop feature that Linux has that Windows and Mac OS X do not?
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post #16 of 42
Well, no surprise.

Linux is a joke for a desktop OS. Although, as a server OS, it is unbeatable!
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post #17 of 42
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Linux is a joke for a desktop OS.
Depends on what you intend it for. If you mean play games all day then yes you're right, but that's the software houses failing to support it; there's nothing inherent in desktop Linux to preclude it supporting games. Same goes for things like video production.

For more general purpose uses (email, web) Linux is no better or worse than the other two platforms. For something like software development, I personally find Linux superior to Windows due to far better command line and scripting support.

I agree with you on the server front, Linux beats Windows hands down.
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post #18 of 42
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not exactly sure what we were suppose to rebut? You make a post, with a graph about desktop shares, make some generalizations, then say linux distro's are all beta OS's...


If I was you, I'd ask for my money back...
LOL. To be honest it sounded like he was too ingrained with the windows mindset to give Linux a fair chance.

"It's fun to play with, but as a full-fledged primary consumer OS...maybe I'll check back again in another SIX years." <That is part of the reason it will never get support. You aren't demanding it.

OP: If you went into Linux(a generally community and collective effort for the desktop nonserver) expecting things to be like windows(a "professional" orientated and made effort) then of course it will seem worse. Just like windows can seem pretty crappy to me in terms of just general speed, functionality, and logic of user interactions; each OS has it's strengths and weaknesses. They are tools so view them as such. Linux is not beta. It's only as good as the users' and companies' efforts that support it. Also, your experience in Linux will only be as good as the effort you put in to it.


Off topic: Anyone think that if Linux was used in place of windows in the education system we'd see a change in what's the common consumer OS?
     
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Off topic: Anyone think that if Linux was used in place of windows in the education system we'd see a change in what's the common consumer OS?
You mean Linux being dominant instead of Windows? Or you mean changes in Windows itself? If the former, possibly but there's a huge investment in Windows already - gonna be a big effort to turn that tanker around. No only that, but if they use Linux to simply teach "ICT" (button pushing), then there's no need for Windows to feel threatened; users will simply transfer their skills.

If the latter...doubt it. Changes in Windows seem to be driven by the enterprise and the gaming community, not so much the educational institutions.
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not exactly sure
Nor am I exactly sure why you posted in this thread; if I made generalizations in error, please point them out.

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LOL. To be honest it sounded like he was too ingrained with the windows mindset to give Linux a fair chance.
I see you prefer the ad hominem approach to discussion; regardless, if by "too ingrained", you mean "expect things to work properly, as they do with Windows and/or Mac", then yes...I'm too ingrained.

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Also, your experience in Linux will only be as good as the effort you put in to it.
Really? Read on...

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Software such as MSN Messenger and Skype still work best on Windows and Mac OS X . This is FACT. Integration and synchronisation via Bluetooth with the Androids, Blackberrys and iPhones of this world still works best on Windows and Mac OS X. This is FACT...I recently needed to do a desktop conference call using GoToMeeting. Does it support Linux? Nope.
So using your line of reasoning, these issues are Parityboy's fault, and could have been solved if he "put more effort into it"?
Edited by jlells01 - 11/8/11 at 2:35pm
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