Originally Posted by jlells01
Lets translate your post together, shall we?
The usage of fanboy is in noted jest, as in there is no reason whatsoever to have 100+ different distributions of a product, other than to stroke the e-peen of a user base that just wants to be different - gathering around, and developing one version together wouldn't fly within the Linux world...how many posts are there on this very forum alone from people that won't run x or y distribution because it's for newbs?
As to what Linux is lacking, both Parityboy and myself both explained our issues with it as a desktop, consumer OS; if you want to avoid that, then please move on - hopefully we'll get someone here who will offer something of benefit to those of us who seek substantive thoughts on the issue.
So let me get this straight?
Am I suppose to be impressed by your incorrect use of argumentum ad hominem?
Since you offered up no argument to begin with in your first or subsequent post, I can not simply "deny" your arguments based solely on the "negative" aspects...
If anything, you started a post, you offered up some flamebait thoughts and crappy graph, that I assume was suppose to support your "imaginary" argument, that linux "sucks" cause it has low market share...cav, parity and rookie offered up some insights to what they thought was wrong with linux, which i agree with them on, but you? you offered nothing, other than the flame...
Originally Posted by jlells01
As aforementioned, I haven't messed around with Linux in six years, and the problems that existed then...exist now. Given that, I'd reason that the individuals perpetuating issues with this OS are the Linux community as a whole, who've decided that instead of refining and delivering a single fully-polished product, they'd rather take the current approach (100+ different flavors).
As such, when it comes to things just working for the end-user, I fully expect nothing to change.
what problems? you mention them, but you don't point them out.
You also expect a community, you have taken no active participation in for six years, to meet your expectations?
The people who make and use linux, aren't gonna bow down to the whims of the windows or mac os x community, they are going to make their distro of choice to fit the needs of their users first and foremost.
you want to hear my "musings" about the linux community?
1. people like you!
you offer up no arguments or solutions, you berate linux for all of its phenomenal contributions, improvements and innovations it has done over the last 10 years, and then you piss on all work its devs and users do for it, by contributing there thoughts on how to improvement, by making post that say "linux sucks, why does it exist again?".
2. Non-experience users:
People who download it, install it in vbox or some other virtualization program, or heaven forbid use that poor excuse of installation method, wubi, spend 5 minutes in it, try to download and install a windows program, and then become "experts" of what is wrong with linux.
3. windows gamers:
people who say asinine things like "only if it could game"...
Am I mad about post like these? yes, they piss me off to no end, they are endless arguments of "this vs this".They usually get hundreds of responses, when real post, of people actually needing real help, or asking real questions, get ignored or few responses.
You want a constructive and worthwhile discussion? I'll give you one then!
1. Unifying packages.
I would like to see more unity across the package front, I personally feel having separate repositories, for the same software that comes more or less from the same sources, is damaging to the linux community as a whole, as it warns off prospected developers, who simply do not want to release their source code, but offer a binary solution. about the only method available to them in this situation, would be to make a "run" file, or a tarball, that has the binary already in it, and instructions on how to install it.
Which to me defeats the purpose of having some of these really awesome package managers like apt-get,dpkg, yum, rpm, zypper and pacman (and any others i didn't mention.). Not saying the linux community should abandoned their packages format or package managers, just saying make it where a universal package could be introduced and that their package managers could install, track and upgrade later on or remove it.
It would also help out a great deal, transferring packages from one distro to the other, if they some how agreed on a "naming" scheme of sorts for their dependency chains, as i'm no stranger for ripping apart rpm's to build deb packages out of or vice versa, the hardest part of this, is to build the dependency chains.
2. Simplifying the File System Hierarchy.
Even tho there is a standard FSH for linux, that they should follow, not all distro's follow this for one reason or another.
I recently read an article that Redhat will pushing some much needed changes to the FSH. this is only a small gripe over all about linux distro's in generally, as long as the package maintainers can take into account their distro's quirks in FSH, I don't really see this as needed, but it could play some havoc on the overall support for a universal package that i support.
3. Unification of some of the systems:
I would love to see a unified sound architecture, not this fractured mess we have now with alsa, pulse, phonon, OSS, etc (those are the ones i'm aware of.). To me that is a must for linux to ever be taken seriously as a desktop OS. their sound systems needs a overhaul, and these groups should work together for this common goal.
I would like to see more standards put in place, that DE's and WM's adhere too. OpenDesktop.org is just to "frilly" with their standards, Gnome and KDE do their best, same with xfce, as I'm no expert on the others, I can not comment on them, but i've had troubles with where and how KDE programs function and show up in gnome and vice versa.
4. This one is for KDE.
Please for the love of god, work on kwin's ability to render gtk apps more "pretty" or make it where they can use qt themes. KDE apps show up nice in gnome/xfce, but the return can not be said about gtk in KDE.
it needs to die, not peacefully in its sleep, but tragically in a house fire. its based on legacy code that was designed and built for principles that were "big" in the 80's, that didn't actually withstand the test of time. their constant hacking to add "new" and "modern" features, have left xorg a mess, glitchy and full of bugs, that cause graphic driver issues. We need a new graphical system, not sure if wayland is the answer, even tho I hope it can be at least a stop gap
it is unfair to lay the blame for no support for specific software and drivers on that of linux distro or developers, as this is not how it happens for windows or mac os x. if you feel so strongly about this, maybe you should take the often spouted "speak with your wallet" approach that is thrown around on this forum, and buy hardware and software that does have linux support.
if you'd like I could offer more of my own, quite experience view (5+ years) of linux problems, but you get the gist...
My advice to anyone reading this, ignore it for now. Use linux for whatever reason you need it to be, if it doesn't suit those needs, go back to windows, or use it in a different way.
I make all my decisions for new hardware and software purchases, on that its use in linux. if i can not use it, i'm not gonna let a printer or a voip client determine the OS I have chosen to use for the majority of my work on my computer, on the hardware I own.
Yes linux has its issues, yes sometimes they issues have no clear cut way to solve them, but for what i paid for linux, i got a pretty damn good deal imho, considering its "alternatives" have as many or more issues, and you have to buy expensive hardware or costly software upgrades to gain access to them.