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Hai eurybody,

After recently burning through a series of mice (spawn, g400, ec1 blue edition) and going back to my Deathadder Black Edition every time I've decided to build a Kinzuadder and am wondering what I will need. At the moment here is my parts list:

-Kinzu from here for the shell
http://www.ebay.com/itm/NEW-Steelseries-Optical-USB-KINZU-Gaming-Mouse-3200DPI-/110754696851?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D1%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D3996838735500970751#ht_4566wt_1396

-2 Omron D2F-01FL switches to replace the left and right click:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-X-DIY-OMRON-Mouse-Micro-Switch-Microswitch-D2F-01FL-/300609120677?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item45fdb329a5#ht_5112wt_1163

-Deathadder 1800 DPI for the pcb:
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=2823951&CatId=539

My questions are:
-Will I need soldering equipment to apply the new omron switches?
-What brand mouse skates should I get as hyperglides aren't made for the Kinzu. Corepad have skates for the Kinzu but should I get puretrak perfectglide's instead? They have a regular variant for the kinzu but the HD variant for the Xai and they look exactly the same so I'm wondering if they'll fit.
-What is the upside of the 1800 dpi deathadder over my current 3.5G black edition?

Thanks in advance smile.gif
    
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I can only answer some of your question and I never did this mod myself:

Soldering:
Yes, you will need to solder the Omroin switches.

Mousefeet:
Whatever brand you use, it should have a similar thickness. Avago z-axis tolerance is only +-0.2mm. Yes it matters, as the sensor is else out of focus, it is a fixed lens.

Deathadder verions:
Some ppl are convinced the 1800 verison is superior to the 3.5G.
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Originally Posted by Skar;15599191 
I can only answer some of your question and I never did this mod myself:

Soldering:
Yes, you will need to solder the Omroin switches.

Mousefeet:
Whatever brand you use, it should have a similar thickness. Avago z-axis tolerance is only +-0.2mm. Yes it matters, as the sensor is else out of focus, it is a fixed lens.

Deathadder verions:
Some ppl are convinced the 1800 verison is superior to the 3.5G.

Thanks for the response. I'm just wondering what z-axis tolerance is tho...
    
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Originally Posted by Pyroh;15599336 
Thanks for the response. I'm just wondering what z-axis tolerance is tho...

I'm not sure myself, but I think it means how far up the sensor can be before it's inaccurate.
    
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I'm not sure myself, but I think it means how far up the sensor can be before it's inaccurate.

+- .2mm how much higher off the mousepad or closer to the mousepad it can be while the sensor is still in focus.

Seems like a pretty narrow range to me. Couldn't you wear down the mouse skates that much in not too long? confused.gif
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Keep us updated on your build. Would be cool if you build it with the White or Red Kinzu biggrin.gif
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+- .2mm how much higher off the mousepad or closer to the mousepad it can be while the sensor is still in focus.

Seems like a pretty narrow range to me. Couldn't you wear down the mouse skates that much in not too long? confused.gif

+-0.2mm is a range of ~0.4mm.

The Teflon mouse feet are usually (if you exclude Logitech) 0.5 or 0.6mm thick (inlc. adhesive) and if they are rather big (like common for gaming mice) you really do not need to worry about wearing them off (given that you dont use a metal or plastic pad or some other hard surface).

However, simply sticking 2 on top of each other (so for example 2x 0.5mm) is not a good idea if the focus range is only +-0.2mm, as this for sure will impact the focus distance of the sensor, and thus impact performance (maybe not noricable tho, depends how much of that tolerance is already used up by the rest.
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Originally Posted by Skar;15601202 
+-0.2mm is a range of ~0.4mm.

The Teflon mouse feet are usually (if you exclude Logitech) 0.5 or 0.6mm thick (inlc. adhesive) and if they are rather big (like common for gaming mice) you really do not need to worry about wearing them off (given that you dont use a metal or plastic pad or some other hard surface).

However, simply sticking 2 on top of each other (so for example 2x 0.5mm) is not a good idea if the focus range is only +-0.2mm, as this for sure will impact the focus distance of the sensor, and thus impact performance (maybe not noricable tho, depends how much of that tolerance is already used up by the rest.

If that is the focus range they quote, I can guarantee it's not that important. You will see fluctuations of more than that amount from different pressures applied to different cloth pads. I've had several different Abyssus with mouse feet of significantly different thicknesses. One of them bottomed out on any cloth pad with no downward pressure. The one I'm using currently won't bottom out unless I press on it with all my weight.
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@Krameriffic: Your case is slightly different, as you reduce the distance and this is limited by the housing. (You can not reduce more than the housing, so in smart design this will not be so close that the sensor will have serious impact, in abyssus case below 2.1mm). If you add distance (and use high dpi setting) the spec shows a decline of performance of roughly 100 cpi every 0.1mm. Now thats on white paper with 6ips movement and a straight line.

I think overall you are right that it is probably not noticeable, however if somebody is very used to play with a specific setting (24/7 biggrin.gif those were the days) he might notice some difference.
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I would be more worried about the drop in SQUAL than CPI if the sensor is too much outside its optimal operation range. wink.gif
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