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post #21 of 38
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Getting a 2600K instead of a higher-end GPU is stupid.

Heck, getting a 2600K over a 2500K for gaming is just throwing money in the garbage.

Get a GTX 580 and a 2500K in your build. 2500K, GTX 580, 2x4GB 1600MHz DDR3 1.5v, P67/Z68 mobo and a boot SSD should comprise the core of your build.

GTX 580 is the fastest single GPU, 2500K is just as good as the 2600K for gaming and $70-100 cheaper, 1600MHz is the sweet spot in RAM right now (and 1866MHz or lower CL doesn't provide enough benefit), P67/Z68 overclocks well, and SSDs prevent the HDD from being the weakest link.

I built my setup below for $1400 altogether and she screams.
Thanks for the advice. I'm thinking of doing the 2500k, I'm just worried about future applications and benefits the i7 may provide. Seems overwhelmingly that 2500k is the way to go based on your and many other's comments.

I'm new to SSD's. Should this house my OS and main apps or just my OS? I have a large storae HD on my current rig I could rob for multimedia.
post #22 of 38
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Okay, so based on feedback... here is where I'm at...

-Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155
$219.99

-ASUS P8P67 (REV 3.1) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA
$159.99 -$10.00 Instant - $15 MIR = $134.99

-EVGA 015-P3-1580-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB
$499.99 - $10 Rebate = $489.99

-CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
$56.99 - $10.00 Instant = $46.99

-SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready
$179.99 -$50.00 Instant = $129.99

-Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
$99.99 - $10.00 Black Friday Promo = $89.99

-COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX
$99.99 -$10.00 Instant - $10 MIR = $79.99

-COOLER MASTER Hyper 212
$29.99 - $4.00 Instant = $25.99

-Asus VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor
$209.99 -$30.00 Instant - $10 MIR = $169.99

SAMSUNG Black Blu-ray Combo SATA Model SH-B123L
$59.99

-Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive
$249.99 -$31.00 Instant = $218.99

Subtotal: $1,666.89

So, what do you all think? I have a Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s drive I can rob from my current rig for multimedia... btw... what is up with HD prices????
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Okay, so based on feedback... here is where I'm at...

-Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155
$219.99

-ASUS P8P67 (REV 3.1) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA
$159.99 -$10.00 Instant - $15 MIR = $134.99

-EVGA 015-P3-1580-AR GeForce GTX 580 (Fermi) 1536MB
$499.99 - $10 Rebate = $489.99

-CORSAIR Vengeance 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
$56.99 - $10.00 Instant = $46.99

-SeaSonic X Series X650 Gold 650W ATX12V V2.3/EPS 12V V2.91 SLI Ready
$179.99 -$50.00 Instant = $129.99

-Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 64-bit - OEM
$99.99 - $10.00 Black Friday Promo = $89.99

-COOLER MASTER RC-692-KKN2 CM690 II Advanced Black Steel ATX
$99.99 -$10.00 Instant - $10 MIR = $79.99

-COOLER MASTER Hyper 212
$29.99 - $4.00 Instant = $25.99

-Asus VH238H Black 23" Full HD HDMI LED Backlight LCD Monitor
$209.99 -$30.00 Instant - $10 MIR = $169.99

SAMSUNG Black Blu-ray Combo SATA Model SH-B123L
$59.99

-Crucial M4 CT128M4SSD2 2.5" 128GB SATA III MLC Internal Solid State Drive
$249.99 -$31.00 Instant = $218.99

Subtotal: $1,666.89

So, what do you all think? I have a Seagate Barracuda 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s drive I can rob from my current rig for multimedia... btw... what is up with HD prices????
Solid choices on the components. Power supply would proscribe adding another GTX 580 for SLI if you needed it though -- I wouldn't be comfortable SLIing 580s on anything less than a name-brand 800W, though 750W might work as well.

The SSD choice is good, the GPU is great, the RAM is great, the CPU cooler is good, the mobo is great.. you've clearly done some homework. The PSU is also a strong choice if you intend to stick with strong single GPU cards like the 580, or perhaps SLI or Xfire with midrange cards in the future.

I wouldn't recommend that 1000W dual 6870 2600K build:

1.CrossFiring low-end GPUs like the Barts is silly compared to just getting a single strong one (especially given the 1GB framebuffer which may become a limitation later).
1a. CrossFireX 6950 2GBs are the way to go if you want a bang-for-the-buck dual GPU.
2. 2600K does not and never will pull away from the 2500K when it comes to gaming.
3. 1000W is overkill for that, plenty of upgrading headroom though.
4. OCZ SSDs aren't too reliable.

In short I think the build you've planned is good. I really like it a lot. The only concern is with regards to upgrading in the future, since that power supply will limit your options in the dual-GPU front.
Edited by friend'scatdied - 11/6/11 at 7:43pm
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Solid choices on the components. Power supply would proscribe adding another GTX 580 for SLI if you needed it though -- I wouldn't be comfortable SLIing 580s on anything less than a name-brand 800W, though 750W might work as well.

The SSD choice is good, the GPU is great, the RAM is great, the CPU cooler is good, the mobo is great.. you've clearly done some homework. The PSU is also a strong choice if you intend to stick with strong single GPU cards like the 580, or perhaps SLI or Xfire with midrange cards in the future.

I wouldn't recommend that 1000W dual 6870 2600K build:

1.CrossFiring low-end GPUs like the Barts is silly compared to just getting a single strong one (especially given the 1GB framebuffer which may become a limitation later).
1a. CrossFireX 6950 2GBs are the way to go if you want a bang-for-the-buck dual GPU.
2. 2600K does not and never will pull away from the 2500K when it comes to gaming.
3. 1000W is overkill for that, plenty of upgrading headroom though.
4. OCZ SSDs aren't too reliable.

In short I think the build you've planned is good. I really like it a lot. The only concern is with regards to upgrading in the future, since that power supply will limit your options in the dual-GPU front.
I see your point about the PSU.. not sure if I'd ever go SLI at the prices of these cards! I found several 850 watt PSU's at similar prices to the Gold rated Seasonic:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139009
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817139022
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16817151100

Not sure if any of these compair quality wise, I've had good luck with Corsair's in the past.
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I wouldn't recommend that 1000W dual 6870 2600K build:

1.CrossFiring low-end GPUs like the Barts is silly compared to just getting a single strong one (especially given the 1GB framebuffer which may become a limitation later).
1a. CrossFireX 6950 2GBs are the way to go if you want a bang-for-the-buck dual GPU.
2. 2600K does not and never will pull away from the 2500K when it comes to gaming.
3. 1000W is overkill for that, plenty of upgrading headroom though.
4. OCZ SSDs aren't too reliable.
1) How is it silly? It out performs any single GPU card by 20 FPS in BC2.
1a) No they're not. HD 6870s get around 10 FPS more for like $10 - 20 more. Well worth the price. Even at 2560x1600, HD 6870s in crossfire will either out perform or do just as well as a single GTX 580 for almost $200 less. By the time you need to upgrade, buying another GTX 580 will be a huge waste of money. I'm normally against dual carding out the gate, but you can't pass up this kind of performance for these prices.
2) Maybe not, but it does in everything else and this is a $1500 budget, so why stay with a 2500k...?
3) 1000w is overkill, but unless I forgot to mention it, it's $135.. Yes, you can get a gold 650w seasonic for that price, but efficiency past bronze is not going to matter for 99% of people. So you're better off just investing into either a 550w PSU or one like this with a lot of headroom. With a budget of $1500, there's little reason not to.
4) Since when? I stated they were only because of firmware issues with Sandforce and it has been fixed. The M4 is much slower and costs much more.

Benchmarks to back up my statements:

The build also included 16GB of DDR3 2133 RAM. Which was only included to meet the budget as much as possible.
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post #27 of 38
Seasonic 750w Gold Class instead of the 650w if you are worried about wattage for CF one day. Check out the XFX Core Edition 850w & XFX XXX 850w if you really want 850w. Aswell as the Corsair TX850 V2

I'm going to CF GTX 580 Lightning Xtreme's on my Sparkle 750w and I know I'll face no problems...

That is an expensive M4 128GB. Got mine for $170 on a newegg shellshocker. Can you just save a bit and buy for a flat $200 from amazon? (From my proposed build on page 2)

What is up with HDD prices has something to do with Western Digital Flooding. Demand is likely not going to be met.
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post #28 of 38
one of two GF cards
dual 570 gtx's
dual 6950 2gb

Both will compeat with a 590gtx and a 6990

So then you just grab any old ssd with good reviews ... i would do crusal 250gb drive for 390 or what ever and then

grab a 2500 and a P67 mobo and then a good seasonic 650 watt plus for SLi and XFX and then get a good 100$ case and maybe grab a 2tb hddd from bestbuy right now.

then grab a good 27 inch lcd ... or 30incher and then kick some butt gaming and such ... or what ever you want to do ...

I would also pick up a machanical keyboard and then a good mouse ... and then you are set man ... would be EPIC!

the most $$ coming out of the 600$ for video cards but well worth it in mho

this comes out to like 1750$ i know that is more then you wanted to spend but .... u can cut out the Machanical keyboard and then cut the video cards down to a 6970 and you would be fineer then fine with only 1080p ... i am running 6950 1gb 2560x1600 screen man ... so ... dont let these boys tell u there is not enough in these cards lol
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Definitely look at the Corsair 600T SE for your case. If no video encoding/rendering. Then it's simple go with the 2500K. PSU Seasonic 750X or 850X. GPU EVGA GTX 560Ti or the 570 in SLI. RAM G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB 1600! Mobo ASRock E7 G3. Cooling H80 or H100. If you like air go Noctua NH-D14!
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With all due respect, you're selectively justifying decisions that just aren't rational as a composite build. For a $1500 gaming build, that's just not very well thought-out. You could do much better.

What instantly raises a red flag to me that you're not very in touch with the present Sandy Bridge gaming environment is the shoehorning of 16GB of 2133MHz 1.65v RAM. Barring the fact that there are negligible gains beyond 1600MHz, and barring the fact that it's needlessly expensive ($200 for 16GB of RAM in this climate? Are you kidding me?), 1.65v is specifically recommended against for Sandy Bridge. There's no reason to go with that RAM over 8GB (or 16GB) or 1600MHz 1.5v XMP RAM, and 1.65v Nehalem RAM actually has a solid chance of killing a Sandy Bridge CPU over time. I got my sticks for $100 total from Newegg, they're designed for Sandy Bridge and will do 1866MHz at 1.5v if you need them to.

Plus, you have to read what I'm saying. If you want to outperform a single GTX 580 at the GTX 580's price, why would you go for low-end 1GB GPUs like the Barts when you could afford two 6950 Caymans? Moreover, the GTX 580 will provide a much more consistent gameplay experience with stronger minimum frame rates. Check out recent BF3 performance reviews such as the one from [H], which criticizes even 6900 series CrossFireX for consistency issues (and [H] is historically very favorable towards AMD). If you're going CrossFireX out the gate 6870s are just a poor choice compared to 6950s with a $1500 budget. The 1GB framebuffer of the 6870s is just bad for 2560x1600.

Your rationalization for the 2600K isn't one. In fact recent games like BF3 have prevalent performance issues with Hyper Threading that are ameliorated when HT is turned off -- defeating the point of the 2600K over the 2500K almost completely (there's also 2MB of cache difference but that accounts for almost nothing in gaming benchmarks).

Why cheap out on a SSD when data storage and reliability are a crucial concern for any build, gaming or not? OCZ reliability rates trail far behind Samsung/Corsair (non-Sandforce) and Crucial, which are second-place to Intel. Sandforce this generation just isn't worth the trouble.

When games are GPU-limited and don't benefit from HT, and when Sandy Bridge practically mandates 1.5v XMP RAM at 1.5v or less (barring the fact that 16GB isn't very necessary, and downright a bad choice for $200), that build is just not advisable. Egads man, how can you argue value for the 6870s while suggesting $200 worth of Nehalem RAM and a 2600K?
Edited by friend'scatdied - 11/7/11 at 7:11am
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