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Originally Posted by cdoublejj;15596640 
hopefully FM2 will feature some unlocked multiplier CPUs and maybe better OC options. Llano is already a pretty good product.

EDIT: eerrr not sure sure if dropping in BD cores is going to go well even if it is pile driver.

Why not? Windows 8 will be just around the corner when these are released, so the "oh it'll be better on Win8" argument will actually hold some water. So, that's what, 10-15% more speed right there. Add in the "10-15%" IPC and additional performance per watt improvements and Trinity will actually be semi-decent.

Not enough to dethrone quad core Sandy Bridge and Ivy Bridge by any means (don't think this is even slated to compete with those) but it'll be good enough to compete with dual core SB and IB just like Llano is doing, and will probably be in a better place vs. Ivy Bridge than Llano is vs. Sandy Bridge.
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post #12 of 83
And, with regards to the incompatible sockets, remember, these aren't for enthusiasts who want an upgrade. They are for the rest of the market who just buy and forget. To them socket compatibility doesn't matter, they just want something that just works.
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post #13 of 83
I'm a cpu noob but isn't part of BD problem sad floting point preformance?
What are the chances the built in GPU takes over that task ?
From what i've been reading lately that's where they have been trying to go for a while.
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post #14 of 83
BD doesn't actually have FP issues, it just has serious IPC (instructions per clock) all around. While it is true that BD only has four FP units they are each 256bit AVX units which can process 2 regular 128bit instructions simultaneously, so its equivalent to having four standard FP units. Bulldozer just has poor IPC in both floating point and integer instructions. As for doing FP on the gpu, that can only happen when software supports it. Its not something AMD can do until all software supports full GPU FP processing which is a long way off due to the massively multithreaded nature of the GPU.
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post #15 of 83
So much for AMD's backwards compatibility.

What is it with processor manufacturers needing so many sockets?
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Originally Posted by Kand View Post
So much for AMD's backwards compatibility.

What is it with processor manufacturers needing so many sockets?
As I said before I believe that desicion was probably due to the fact that this is mainly designed for OEM systems with set-and-forget customers, not the tech savvy who would actually care. That's what AM3+ is for!
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post #17 of 83
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BD doesn't actually have FP issues, it just has serious IPC (instructions per clock) all around. While it is true that BD only has four FP units they are each 256bit AVX units which can process 2 regular 128bit instructions simultaneously, so its equivalent to having four standard FP units. Bulldozer just has poor IPC in both floating point and integer instructions. As for doing FP on the gpu, that can only happen when software supports it. Its not something AMD can do until all software supports full GPU FP processing which is a long way off due to the massively multithreaded nature of the GPU.
Just FP perfomance is crippled, Interger performance is great, performing close to the i7 990x or better in some multi-threaded and single-threaded situations.

The problem is the majority of programs now use FP intensive tasks, which would be something very good to pawn off on the "gpu" portion of trinity.
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post #18 of 83
They are probably making a new socket to sell more mobo's.
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Just FP perfomance is crippled, Interger performance is great, performing close to the i7 990x or better in some multi-threaded and single-threaded situations.

The problem is the majority of programs now use FP intensive tasks, which would be something very good to pawn off on the "gpu" portion of trinity.
My bad! Don't trust everything you read but the problem with pawning it off to the GPU still remains that my 6950 has 1408 available processing threads and most programs can only use one, so AMD can't pawn their FP tasks to the GPU until software supports it anyway.
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post #20 of 83
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I'm a cpu noob but isn't part of BD problem sad floting point preformance?
What are the chances the built in GPU takes over that task ?
From what i've been reading lately that's where they have been trying to go for a while.
it wont be done as soon as you think ... but laying down the groundwork for such an approach is what amd is doing here ... trinity is the first stage in that approach


the first big project that steamed from the amd/ati merger


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BD doesn't actually have FP issues, it just has serious IPC (instructions per clock) all around. While it is true that BD only has four FP units they are each 256bit AVX units which can process 2 regular 128bit instructions simultaneously, so its equivalent to having four standard FP units. Bulldozer just has poor IPC in both floating point and integer instructions. As for doing FP on the gpu, that can only happen when software supports it. Its not something AMD can do until all software supports full GPU FP processing which is a long way off due to the massively multithreaded nature of the GPU.
bulldozer has many problems right now ... most are related to latency ... and long pipeline and actually being able to process less data per cycle then deneb

+ it does have a problem that it can't process the same amount of operations per cycle then deneb ... because of its decoder .. but its decoder isnt bad


i guess its a design tradeoff

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Originally Posted by Kand View Post
So much for AMD's backwards compatibility.

What is it with processor manufacturers needing so many sockets?
you do realise that they switched from a tweaked deneb core to a tweaked bulldozer core in just 1 year .. right??

if you expected trinity to be socket compatible then you expected too much


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Originally Posted by Nocturin View Post
Just FP perfomance is crippled, Interger performance is great, performing close to the i7 990x or better in some multi-threaded and single-threaded situations.

The problem is the majority of programs now use FP intensive tasks, which would be something very good to pawn off on the "gpu" portion of trinity.
programs are fp intensive???


i tought it was the contrary by a big margin
Edited by Fr0sty - 11/6/11 at 4:43pm
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