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post #31 of 83
30% with just clock speeds its fail to me.
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post #32 of 83
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Originally Posted by Kand View Post
Wasn't the whole point of going AMD the backwards compatibility?
Trinity is moving to a WHOLE NEW ARCHITECTURE, recycling the same socket is impossible. you seem to like this face I think it's very rude
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I wish they would bring a new socket for the Enthusiast desktop platform already.

after piledriver they will
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This is ridiculous. The length AMD'ers will go to try to justify the unjustifiable is laughable. When they released socket FM1 on the 30th of June - that was four months ago, and only two models were released on that date - they should have planned ahead and make sure it was compatible with Trinity. It's one less argument AMD customers have in favor of AMD having less sockets. Some people might have wanted to upgrade their Llano systems based on past experience with AMD having good backwards compatibility, too, you know ?


Also, note the careful choice of words when it comes to CPU performance in the following excerpt from the last slide in the OP:
Quote:
"Piledriver" CPU Core

(...)
- Up to 30% uplift vs. Llano
(...)

Enhanced graphics/MM

(..)
- ~30% performance increase vs. Llano
So, Llano currently tops out at 2.9 Ghz, Trinity tops out at 3.8 Ghz with a 4.1 Ghz Turbo.

Yes, I'd say Trinity is probably going to be disappointing too, from an architectural point of view.

The saving grace will probably be the fact that they have probably sorted out the yield problems they had with Llano because of difficulties of putting Radeon cores in the same die as the CPU cores, and the fact performance will not be so important in these systems, but overall mid-range balance.
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after piledriver they will
Then they'll just need an enthusiast CPU to match.
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4 Piledriver Cores 4.2GHz Stock -> 4.4GHz Max Turbo Core
480 VLIW4 ALUs 650MHz Stock -> 750MHz Turbo Core

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Ah FM1, we barely knew ye.
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post #38 of 83
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Originally Posted by Dmac73 View Post
Let's not get it twisted and throwing words out there.... Never did it say 30% IPC increase.....

30% UPLIFT* Based on "Projections" in a Multimedia workload and are subjected to change. I believe i remember early BD projections of being the fastest single and multicore CPU ever created, and even later, as of a few weeks before release, that IPC would go up from k10.5. Neither happened.

A higher base clock & turbo clock probably account for the large majority, if not all of the % of performance increase.
Good point; 30% uplift still does mean 5-10% better IPC though. Nothing to be that happy about, but hey if they can keep the clocks up... I hope we'll actually see a Trinity Black Edition so we can guess Komodo's OC potential (... and for the people wanting more than a 35% overclock on a low-end part when the money that you'd spend on an adequate cooler would be better spent on a better part)

And those BD projections were from four years before release, whereas Trinity is supposedly coming in 1H 2012.
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I don't think a new socket for this kind of system is that big of a deal. Most applications were i have deployed Llano have little need for an upgrade for quite some time. Sure there will be some disappointed enthusiast but was Llano really an enthusiast chip. Ive used them for HTPC and low power environments but have not thought about using it anywhere else.
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I don't think a new socket for this kind of system is that big of a deal. Most applications were i have deployed Llano have little need for an upgrade for quite some time. Sure there will be some disappointed enthusiast but was Llano really an enthusiast chip. Ive used them for HTPC and low power environments but have not thought about using it anywhere else.
Isn't the A8-3850 faster than the Q9300 in your sig?
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