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The current llano only works with anything lower than a 6670 or turks i think it is to create the "fusion" between both GPU's, anything higher will shut down the internal GPU in the APU, will next generation llano or trinity support a more high up GPU ? I have a R6950 and I hope AMD brings out something that will "fusion" with my GPU
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Good point; 30% uplift still does mean 5-10% better IPC though.
No IPC improvement till Steamroller

Only Latency and Power improvements

The 30% uplift is mostly from the new ISAs + Clock Rate
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No IPC improvement till Steamroller

Only Latency and Power improvements

The 30% uplift is mostly from the new ISAs + Clock Rate
Latency improvements and instruction sets don't increase IPC?

Speaking of that, won't AMD improve the sub-par scheduler and L2/L3 caches and add more L1 cache? Aren't those the things really holding BD back?
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post #44 of 83
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Latency improvements and instruction sets don't increase IPC?
Theoretically, no

Realistically, yes

IPC doesn't improve theoretically

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Speaking of that, won't AMD improve the sub-par scheduler and L2/L3 caches and add more L1 cache? Aren't those the things really holding BD back?
Bulldozer doesn't need more cache it needs less with faster access times
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post #45 of 83
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No IPC improvement till Steamroller

Only Latency and Power improvements

The 30% uplift is mostly from the new ISAs + Clock Rate
Latency improvements will improve ipc... I realize technically it doesn't but for all intents and purposes it will make the chip perform as if it did.
Edited by scyy - 11/6/11 at 7:55pm
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Then they'll just need an enthusiast CPU to match.
deffinatly

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Originally Posted by Hexblade View Post
The current llano only works with anything lower than a 6670 or turks i think it is to create the "fusion" between both GPU's, anything higher will shut down the internal GPU in the APU, will next generation llano or trinity support a more high up GPU ? I have a R6950 and I hope AMD brings out something that will "fusion" with my GPU
Llano can crossfre with another midrange gpu ... amd shows the list wich gpu can crossfire with Llano on their site iirc

Quote:
Originally Posted by Seronx View Post
No IPC improvement till Steamroller

Only Latency and Power improvements

The 30% uplift is mostly from the new ISAs + Clock Rate
are you sure about the no ipc increase till steamroller???



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Latency improvements and instruction sets don't increase IPC?

Speaking of that, won't AMD improve the sub-par scheduler and L2/L3 caches and add more L1 cache? Aren't those the things really holding BD back?
latency improvement improves ips(instruction per second)

but doesnt improve ipc(instruction per cycle)
Edited by Fr0sty - 11/6/11 at 8:02pm
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It doesn't improve the number crunching portions of the chip, but as a whole it does help performance.
    
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I guess I'm glad I didn't recommend my co-worker to get an FM1 Llano platform or even worse, get one myself.
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Isn't the A8-3850 faster than the Q9300 in your sig?
Its probably close but the A8 wasn't around when the 9300 came out. If i were to go for a new chip today the I5 I7 come to mind. I guess were im going is that in today's market the I7 I5 are the enthusiasts chip's of choice. I could upgrade to an A8 but why would I since a real upgrade would be at least I5 performance. Don't get me wrong i love the APU's to death the concept and Performance per watt are amazing but i don't see many rigs that are concerned with there wattage.
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are you sure about the no ipc increase till steamroller???

Only the Bulldozer 20h-2Fh family are getting the improvements in what usually improves IPC(particularly in small single threaded tasks)

Bulldozer is 00h-0Fh
Piledriver is 10h-1Fh
Steamroller is 20h-2Fh
Excavator is 30h-3Fh
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