Originally Posted by astrallite
You work in B&W's procurement department?
What does B&W's parts pricing to end users have anything to do with their own marginal cost of production?
The truth is you have no idea what their marginal costs are and you make some baseless cost-analysis assumptions.
Sennheiser charges their customers $80 for a replacement plastic slide-in band for their HD580/600 series. What do you think a half oz piece of cheap plastic costs Sennheiser to make? No way something like that could possibly be made used in a $40 headphone right? After all it's used in high end $500 headphones. And yet the sliding-bands on their lower-end headphones aren't of any observably lower quality.
Dunleavy has used tweeters that cost less than $5 for them to make in their $3k and up speakers and they are considered some of the most well designed speakers ever. The SEAs Excel magnesium woofers sell for $200 a pop on the OEM marketplace (check Madisound), yet Jack Hidley of NHT was able to sell a completed speaker and enclosure for $100. A company's procurement cost is not what the same to the price they sell you piecemeal, or what an end-user unit price is offered by an OEM.
What are B&W's marginal cost of production or procurement for Nautilus tweeters? How would you know whether or not they would not be able to put them in $500 speakers?
-I don't but I know someone who does, well enough to the point that I could give you his mobile phone number.
-Nothing, but I know for a fact that if you were to phone up the parts department and ask for a Nautilus tweeter motor and diaphragm, they wouldn't be the same as the ones in the MM-1's. All they mean by it being 'Nautilus' is that there is a tapered design behind it, that's all.
-They're not baseless at all, I've personally looked at B&W's account for 2009 and 2010.
-You're comparing something which is irrelevant to the product's quality here, to something that is. The only thing that counts in a speaker, which is a direct cost, is the drive units and crossovers. The spikes you get with the Nautilus 803S' are the same as those you got with the DM603S1's, but they're irrelevant to how good the speaker sounds.
-Non-point. Anyone would know this.
-Which tweeter are you referring to here? The Nautilus range one, the Diamond range or the one used in the Flagship Nautilus?