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No one studies synthesised elements.

At least not me.
What? Make up your mind.
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cant yet , cant do it , same thing haha .
Those two phrases aren't the same at all.


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I'm curious what (if anything) these super unstable elements might be useful for? Or is this a purely scientific endeavor?
Purely scientific. Some discoveries which may seem insignificant now can matter a whole lot. For instance, a few hundred years ago a mathematician was trying to confirm his theory of how to most efficiently pack spheres...his application was to see if how grocers stack oranges is most efficient. He was laughed at for caring about something that seemed so pointless. despite this, he confirmed his theory. A few hundred years later, when sending data in packets which, for the purpose of simplicity, are represented by spheres, becomes important this seemingly useless discovery helped others to innovate and push the boundaries of the possible further.

Will these super heavy, unstable elements likely matter in our lifetimes? probably not, but who's to say that? You never know until it happens, so saying the only good research is research that is solving a problem NOW is silly.

edit: and there are many more great examples of this same principle described above. If anyone can find a certain article I read a while back regarding several old mathematical discoveries that became important much later, I'll kiss you
    
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can we please start focusing more attention on things that really matter, such as eliminating cancer?
This has been covered to an extent, but you can't just take money and throw it at people and expect results. I doubt money is the limiting factor and as noted, not every scientist is a biologist.

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Chemistry and physics are two fields pretty far apart. The guys responsible for this are probably chemists and not physicists.
Extremely doubtful. The man quoted in the article is the secretary general of IUPAP, the International Union of Pure and Applied Physics. Fusion and particle accelerators is definitely physics territory more so than chemistry.
    
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This has been covered to an extent, but you can't just take money and throw it at people and expect results. I doubt money is the limiting factor and as noted, not every scientist is a biologist.



Extremely doubtful. The man quoted in the article is the secretary general of IUPAP, the International Union of Pure and Applied Physics. Fusion and particle accelerators is definitely physics territory more so than chemistry.
Meh, a lot of theoretical and computational chem ends up overlapping with physics work. I don't think there's much of a need for any of us to get pedantic about the two fields in this instance since there is clearly overlap. [which is what you're getting at, but i'm not directly addressing you]


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Oh, good, my Chem teacher will love putting this on a test.

If it's half life is so minute, why even bother? I understand "science for the greater good," but can we please start focusing more attention on things that really matter, such as eliminating cancer?
Because it just isn't that simple. the entirety of scientific discovery and progression doesn't screech to a halt because of one issue. Research in areas not directly related to cancer research may end up proving extremely useful for cancer research.
    
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It is funny how people criticize scientists for trying to understand the very details of matter and the universe. Then these people say they should be all be putting their efforts into curing cancer like that is the only thing that is important. What?
It's finny how people criticize the needs of millions and what scientists should be trying to understand and cure versus making up synthetic elements that have no baring on life as we know it. Then these people say that putting our efforts to curing cancer isn't important. What?
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Lol @ this...
Yo mama's so fat, scientists tried to synthesize her in the lab, but she rapidly decayed into lighter elements.
    
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It's finny how people criticize the needs of millions and what scientists should be trying to understand and cure versus making up synthetic elements that have no baring on life as we know it. Then these people say that putting our efforts to curing cancer isn't important. What?
Who said that? The obvious point that you are missing is that there are other problems in the world besides cancer and on top of that, throwing money and people at a disease doesn't cure it. you realize how many diseases humanity has successfully cured, right? you can count them on a severed hand. It's not some simple thing, no matter how much you wish it to be.

Scientifically White Knighting for one disease at the detriment of other areas of focus is NOT how anything useful gets done, despite what you have deluded yourself to think.

If you want to talk about the needs of millions, how about hunger? Why aren't you campaigning for more studies in efficient fertilization and crop output? After all, nitrogen fertilizer is estimated to have saved BILLIONS of lives. that's a lot more people than there are cancer patients.

Take a look at the bigger picture once in a while, for yours and everyone else's sake.
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Chemistry and physics are two fields pretty far apart. The guys responsible for this are probably chemists and not physicists.
Chemists virtually never use particle accelerators. You also do not create new elements via chemical reactions. This work is entirely done by physicists.
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Actually...At a certain mass wouldn't the gravitation outweigh the charge?

So theoretically it is possible...

At masses large enough to bring protons together, atoms don't exist. It's just a turbulent sea of mixed fermions, with islands of protons and neutrons floating on a core of striped-off electrons. Adding even more mass will cause some protons to combine with electrons to form neutrons. Eventually, the entire ball is mostly neutrons, and the only thing keeping it from shrinking and becoming even more dense is the inability of two particles to be in the exact same space at the same time. Adding even more mass is thought to transform neutrons into their component parts, creating a turbulent sea of mixed quarks.
Edited by willis888 - 11/8/11 at 5:59am
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Who said that? The obvious point that you are missing is that there are other problems in the world besides cancer and on top of that, throwing money and people at a disease doesn't cure it. you realize how many diseases humanity has successfully cured, right? you can count them on a severed hand. It's not some simple thing, no matter how much you wish it to be.

Scientifically White Knighting for one disease at the detriment of other areas of focus is NOT how anything useful gets done, despite what you have deluded yourself to think.

If you want to talk about the needs of millions, how about hunger? Why aren't you campaigning for more studies in efficient fertilization and crop output? After all, nitrogen fertilizer is estimated to have saved BILLIONS of lives. that's a lot more people than there are cancer patients.

Take a look at the bigger picture once in a while, for yours and everyone else's sake.
I think you and Riou need one of these:


I never stated nor implied EVERYONE should focus on cancer, just that people working on fruitless projects such as this one. You guys made that conclusion.

How much money was spent synthesizing these elements that don't last but a fraction of a second?

Wasted resources.
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