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the only thing i dont like is the bullet heatsink loll that is a bit childich
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I'm seeing a black PCB with the copper traces showing pretty clearly (big bang). For the rampage III BE for example I think the board has some extra paint on top of it so the traces can't be so easily seen and appear darker.
Yeah, but people are saying the PCB is brown when it is not. The PCB is clearly black. I have plenty of black motherboards with the copper traces showing. The "brownness" is exaggerated in some photos with certain lighting.

This is one of my motherboards:



Looks black right?

Now zoom in closer and at the right lighting conditions:



There are some copper traces you can see. This MSI Big Bang X79 is the same way.

I don't think the people complaining about brown PCB have actually seen a true brown PCB motherboard in person.

This new generation of computer enthusiasts are so fickle. We used to have motherboards that looked like this, and it was fine:




Edited by Riou - 11/7/11 at 1:42pm
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Why are you have bullets!!!
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Yeah, but people are saying the PCB is brown when it is not. The PCB is clearly black. I have plenty of black motherboards with the copper traces showing. The "brownness" is exaggerated in some photos with certain lighting.
The brown is caused by copper in the traces tinting it brownish. Have you seen a GIGABYTE board? it is true black, as the layer they use is very thick and matte finish. The high-end ROG boards the same.

BTW i still own an ASUS P4P800-SE, really nice board.
ABit had some nice boards, but DFI always had black PCB and nice color combos IMO.
of course at a distance of 3 feet you can't really tell that much..

nice board BTW, the heatsinks are as extravagant as the Gun on the Assassin 2. THere really must be a market for it.

The placement of that 6-pin is nice too.

But all in all it looks like its going to be a sick board, yet IDK whether they used hydra or NF200, for me i think hydra as NF200 can't support PCI-E 3.0.

I like the 20 phases, i think they did nice job, that top VR heatsink is actually nice IMO, i don't really care for the gun on the GB A2 or the lipstick bullets, but i think they did a nice job with the topmost heatsink.
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I wouldn't say it quite like that. Their high end boards all serve specific purposes, particularly with the X79 chipset. The UD7 board is the extreme overclocking board that specifically cuts out superfluous features that wouldn't concern someone just trying to run a CPU-Z validation or benches, the UD5 is more "well rounded" and the Assassin (or whatever they named it) board offers higher grade onboard audio, thus being a bit more suited towards gamers (aside from the obvious decor). There's specific audiences each board is targeting, so technically there are multiple flagships.

However, like you said, by MSI making their solo flagship board so narrow in the audience it appeals to, they've made a poor choice. They don't have other high end boards that you can pick instead if the guns and ammo look isn't your thing. Being apposed to that is ok.
By definition there can be only one flagship. It is often given to the most expensive and feature rich product of the lineup. The UD5 has always been a midrange board and the G1.Assassin 2 lacks in PCI/RAM slots as well as power phases compared to the UD7. The G1 does offer a Killer E2100 and a X-Fi DAC but value of these chips appeal to a smaller market. The X-Fi DAC itself is nothing miraculous as it is usually featured on the ASUS Crosshair and Rampage platforms. Some people still prefer dedicated soundcards because on-board sound is usually plagued by a poor amplification stage with bad noise isolation. Implementing one of the newer Recon3D chips would have made it more interesting.

It seems like MSI tried to compete with both the UD7 and G1, but in the wrong segment of the G1 market. There are probably more people who buy the G1 series for its added features rather than its looks. MSI must of assumed the opposite. We'll have to wait and see what their next series of motherboards look like before we can tell who had it right.

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What isn't ok is the indiscriminate hatred for every motherboard that has something to do with firearms. It wouldn't matter if they were budget boards. It wouldn't matter if they were high end boards. There's no analysis of the board's features. No intelligent criticism of those boards (all are along the lines of "ew, gross"). It's very obvious that very few people care for the guns and ammo theme, but everyone feels like being a follower and jumping on the hatewagon.

Go into a Call of Duty thread. Same problem. Apple? HURR DURR APPLE SUCKS. Most of the people around here are far too biased/ignorant/much of a tool to think critically and provide decent discussions about why something is or isn't a great product or company. The ones that actually do have something decent to add to the conversation get drowned out with retarded remarks.

What is the point of joining a discussion board if all you're going to see is everybody complaining about the same subjects over and over? There is no intelligence here. Just a bunch of people beating a dead horse and proceeding to draw and quarter it.
I don't think anyone is passing complete judgement on this board since it would be impossible to do so without a complete performance review and in the case of MSI maybe long term durability testing . There are some people who don't want to buy it strictly based on the looks and I think they have to right to make that decision (different people, different priorities). I think in mass people are just commenting on the heatsink since it is the most obvious blemish. Nothing else to really comment on since the information is rather sparse. And you know how people just love to express themselves even if no one asked for their opinion. People are compelled to give their .
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the only thing i dont like is the bullet heatsink loll that is a bit childich
*childish
^Second that. Who needs such things? and
Other than that: Looks like you can o.c. with this board.
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This new generation of computer enthusiasts are so fickle. We used to have motherboards that looked like this, and it was fine:



Those SATA ports are miles apart.
    
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When will tech manufacturers (Hi GIGABYTE, MSI..) realise that people who can afford to put this kind of money into a system generally are employed adults, and do not want plastic bullet clips/guns festooning their hardware? If I was 13 I'd think this was off the chain, but I'm not an adolescent anymore. Good God.
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By definition there can be only one flagship. It is often given to the most expensive and feature rich product of the lineup. The UD5 has always been a midrange board and the G1.Assassin 2 lacks in PCI/RAM slots as well as power phases compared to the UD7. The G1 does offer a Killer E2100 and a X-Fi DAC but value of these chips appeal to a smaller market. The X-Fi DAC itself is nothing miraculous as it is usually featured on the ASUS Crosshair and Rampage platforms. Some people still prefer dedicated soundcards because on-board sound is usually plagued by a poor amplification stage with bad noise isolation. Implementing one of the newer Recon3D chips would have made it more interesting.
I am not trying to interject into your conversation, but there is nothing in common between the normal ASUS ROG XF-I and the G1 Killer series XF-I other than the software. All the ROG boards, with one exception the $600 USD all have Realtek Audio Co-Lay ALC889, same audio codec found on almost all GIGABYTE LGA1155 boards. Now the only board that actually has the real creative hardware, which includes the creative audio processor(C20K2), the 1GB DDR memory, the ADCs and DACs, the 5 Audio Amplifiers, and the high quality caps are most of the G1 Killer line(the G1 Guerilla has an ALC889 in place of the creative chip but same other hardware like caps and amps), and the R3EBE which had an almost identical IC list as the Killer series for the audio.

That is all i wanted to say. The ALC889 is also one of the only codecs that can actually run the Creative software and THX studio and so on. The sticker on the ROG board that says XF-I is covering up a Realtek ALC889 lol. I wouldn't be surprised to find the same on the MSI boards. That includes the Maximus 4 Extreme, the maximus 4 Gene-z, the rampage 3 extreme, the Rampage 4 extreme, and many more including the corsshair boards. The thing is that these boards are missing the AMPs, and the external DACs and ADCs and memory that support a Audio processor like creative's.

Now with X79 we might see the new ALC898 be used on higher end motherboards, and don't get my wrong the ALC889(108dB SNR) is the best Realtek chipset there is on the majority of boards. The ALC892 is actually lower speced(98dB SNR).

The whole audio thing going on with boards is quite confusing, but that is why you see higher end boards with ALC889 and lower end with ALC892 lol.

Now ASRock is actually using the Core3D recon chip that creative just came out with, on their X79 extreme 7 with an add-on card, this IC integrates more of those DACs onboard, and the next logical step for G1 is to use that chip instead of C20K2, but I am not sure when or wether they will skip and goto the next best.
Edited by Sin0822 - 11/7/11 at 2:45pm
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Cool looking IMO but the shell casings are way to obvious.
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