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For most people playing games @ 1900x1080, multiple GTX 470 cards are still the best bang for the buck.

I'm aching to build my new comp and move away from my laptop play CSS. Thus I've been eyeing different video cards for over four months. Over this time I've been decyphering numbers, analysing real differences, and pros/cons of our choices. I've seem many people looking at 4602wins, 560Ti's, 6950 2gigs, and the big boys. But from what I've seen and read the GTX 470 is still one of the best, if no thee best buys if you're looking to play current title on max.

It's Cheap:
On Newegg it costs 165 usd shipped after MIR.

It's powerful:
Two of this babies beats a gtx 580 by 15-50% (comparing same games at 1080p). At 1080p most games do not use more than 1280 mb of vram, thus 69x0 2gigs do not beat it in power/price. Three GTX 470s can do much more than most dual card system. Similarly, it beats the 560 in price and performance in vram limited conditions as it has 280mb more vram, while being 50-75 usd cheaper in most cases.

But:

It's require a dual or triple card setups to be of worth to most people demanding full graphic settings. Thus you need a cpu/mobo/ram central dogma to support it.

It's Hot and Loud:
Dual/triple card makes it run around 91-95c @ 70-90% fan speeds.

It sucks power!
You need a 850-900w PSU to run a triple card setup.

Conclusion:
For 500 usd, this is the best power/price card setup you can buy for all the games you need to play on a single monitor. If you need to game on three monitors, where vram usage gets to 1900mb or lower, you need something else. If power usage, temp and fan noise are huge factors for you, and going water isn't an option, then more current, and more efficient cards would be better. But I know for my next build I'm getting three of these puppies.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814162051
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For most people playing games @ 1900x1080, multiple GTX 470 cards are still the best bang for the buck.

I'm aching to build my new comp and move away from my laptop play CSS. Thus I've been eyeing different video cards for over four months. Over this time I've been decyphering numbers, analysing real differences, and pros/cons of our choices. I've seem many people looking at 4602wins, 560Ti's, 6950 2gigs, and the big boys. But from what I've seen and read the GTX 470 is still one of the best, if no thee best buys if you're looking to play current title on max.

It's Cheap:
On Newegg it costs 165 usd shipped after MIR.

It's powerful:
Two of this babies beats a gtx 580 by 15-50% (comparing same games at 1080p). At 1080p most games do not use more than 1280 mb of vram, thus 69x0 2gigs do not beat it in power/price. Three GTX 470s can do much more than most dual card system. Similarly, it beats the 560 in price and performance in vram limited conditions as it has 280mb more vram, while being 50-75 usd cheaper in most cases.

But:

It's require a dual or triple card setups to be of worth to most people demanding full graphic settings. Thus you need a cpu/mobo/ram central dogma to support it.

It's Hot and Loud:
Dual/triple card makes it run around 91-95c @ 70-90% fan speeds.

It sucks power!
You need a 850-900w PSU to run a triple card setup.

Conclusion:
For 500 usd, this is the best power/price card setup you can buy for all the games you need to play on a single monitor. If you need to game on three monitors, where vram usage gets to 1900mb or lower, you need something else. If power usage, temp and fan noise are huge factors for you, and going water isn't an option, then more current, and more efficient cards would be better. But I know for my next build I'm getting three of these puppies.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Produc...82E16814162051
Games in DX9/DX10 do not need more than 1GB of Vram @ 1080p. If you switch on DX11 however, things get interesting. The 6950 is a better deal overall. The 2GB framebuffer allows for you to expand greatly to something more than just a single monitor without worrying about any significant bottlenecking, and they scale better in CrossfireX with lower power consumption.

The 470s are good, don't get me wrong, but if 1080p and DX11 are on your list of things you want, the 6950 is the better deal here. You can ask any user here how much Vram they're pulling in Crysis 2 with the DX11 patch on and they'll say it's over 1.3GB. Heck, AvP pulls 1.3GB from my laptop GPU @ 900p with DX11 on.

Not trying to bash, but it's not worth it if you ever plan on going beyond a single monitor. The heat is undesirable to most and the noise of those fans at full blast is almost unbearable. One GTX 470 was enough for me and was part of the reason why I sold it.
     
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Two of this babies beats a gtx 580 by 15-50% (comparing same games at 1080p).
30 fps generated by a dual card setup will not feel the same as 30 fps generated by a single card. The single card will play more smoothly at equal fps, so you're comparing apples to oranges.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...fire,2995.html
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The VRAM was a concern for me when I had tri-sli 470's. They were waterblocked and overclocked like champions but there's nothing you can do when you hit the VRAM wall. 1500ish on the 580 gives me just enough but not too much for a single monitor @ 120hz. The processing power you get with three 470's for just 500 dollars is pretty unbeatable, though.
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30 fps generated by a dual card setup will not feel the same as 30 fps generated by a single card. The single card will play more smoothly at equal fps, so you're comparing apples to oranges.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/...fire,2995.html
I don't know that he ever mentioned how they feel when playing a game. Your right about the complications that can arise from SLI and Crossfire setups, but that doesn't negate the fact that two 470's throw out more frames than a 580.

And the premise of the post was bang for buck. The OP has a valid premise for claim that 470's should hold that spot.
    
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I don't know that he ever mentioned how they feel when playing a game. Your right about the complications that can arise from SLI and Crossfire setups, but that doesn't negate the fact that two 470's throw out more frames than a 580.

And the premise of the post was bang for buck. The OP has a valid premise for claim that 470's should hold that spot.
Oh I agree, only for a single monitor though and Tri-SLI scaling with these cards weren't the best if I recall correctly... then again that probably had to do with the CPU at the time.

However, two 6950s for $500 would still be a better deal for anyone who wants to play @ 1080p... in my opinion. Vram is gobbled up at that resolution and there are several games that will use over a gig in DX10, namely Farcry 2 and Crysis, which are still very fun to play even today.
     
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Well I'm basing this off actual prices and performance. For example for 2x 6950s 2gigs you'll be spending around 500-600. But for less than 500 you're getting 3x 470s. Better fps overall unless you're gaming on three monitors with more than 1280mb vram usage. On a single screen yes some dx10 games do use 1280 or more vram as well.

As for 30fps from one card not being able to compare to 30fps from dual card setup, I agree. But it's not the case. In one dx10 benchmark game the dual 470 setup yielded 103 fps, while the single gtx 580 yielded 72 fps. This is not talking about minimum, thus there's also that issue.

If more reviews conclusively offered minimum fps for their reviews for wider range of games, it'd be much easier to conclude one way or the other (if you're not anal about statistics and their tests for analysis).
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I have sli 470 and I love it. If you are not planing on a 3 monitoring set up then go for it. My cards destroy everything bf3 on a single monitor maxed everything no problen
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What about a single gtx 480 slightly overclocked with an aftermarket cooler? Seems like that would be good bang for the buck giving a gtx 580 a run for it's money.
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